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RE: Additional aircraft info - 11/3/2009 5:44:59 AM

TechSgt

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HS;

I guess I need to be a bit more observant!

Thanks for the info!

TS

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 3/3/2010 7:08:34 PM

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I think the actual availability date for the new types I've so far encountered is slightly different from the list published here. On 1 December 1943 in my game these types became available:

Fw190A-8
Fw190A-8/R7
Bf109G-5/AS
(as well as the He219 that I was expecting)
These types are slated for 1 January 1944 on all the information I've seen.

The reason I think this is intended rather than some random bringing forward by one month is because on the "List Air Units" screen, the date of (12/43) is shown against these types, where for example, the Ta154 staffel you get early shows (7/44) as expected.

Incidentally, this screen also suggests that the "pak" version of the aircraft becomes available a month later than the main type... the option to fit cannon is not available on the A-8s (I'm still in December), but the Sturmstaffel (the A-8/R7 staffel you get early) can be made A-8/R8 and shows (1/44) on my List Air Units summary screen.

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 3/3/2010 7:14:39 PM

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from the data all but the 219 show a start date of 1/44 (219 is 12/43)

you sure you didn't have some in production from the start ?

one plane a day would be enough to pull any of those forward (just)

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 3/3/2010 7:15:59 PM

Hard Sarge

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the Paks could be a quirk in the code ( I understand what I think, but not enough to try and explain the how and why)

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/27/2010 1:38:36 AM

Peter Fisla

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

a little info for the 43/44 campaign, LW side

5 Bf 109G-2
6 Bf 109G-5
7 Bf 109G-5/AS ..... 1/44 High
8 Bf 109G-6
9 Bf 109G-6/R6
11 Bf 109G-10 ..... 11/44
12 Bf 109G-10/R6
13 Bf 109G-14 ..... 7/44
14 Bf 109G-14/R6
15 Bf 109H-2 ..... 6/44 very good high
16 Bf 109K-4 ..... 9/44
17 Bf 109K-6

I'm thinking of getting matrix's version of BRT, and I have small question Hard Sarge of the above list is the release version of the 109s list in the game. I'm kind of surprised that you have G-5/AS on the list which according to my books only about 76 of G-5/AS and 16 of G-5/R2/AS we actually delivered. You don't seems to have the more dominant G-6/AS (686 delivered) and G-14/AS about 1000 produced/delivered, I have the production numbers by Messerchmitt, Erla and WNF factries. Is it because this list is not up to date or that you don't have performance data on G-6AS (DB 605 AS) or G-14/AS (BD 605 ASM) ? I'm just wondering :)

Also the difference between G-5 and G-6 (in 1943) was that G-5 was basically G-5 with pressurized cockpit as well keeping the old MG17 machine guns instead of MG131 used in G-6 (MG 131 was heavier than MG17) The G-5/AS (BD 605AS) did not have pressurized cockpit due the DB 605 AS engine.

The G-10 were according to my sources delivered starting from October 44 and not November as you have it listed above. I wondering if that is a typo.

Btw My sources are Messerchmitt Bf 109 F/G/K Series - An illustrated Study by Prien & Rodeike.

Peter

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/27/2010 4:29:32 AM

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I think the reference to 109-G5AS is a typo. I suspect G6AS was intended.

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/27/2010 7:53:31 AM

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Probably. It does have MG131s after all. The picture is wrong though - the AS engine's engine cowling didnt have the "bulbs".

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/27/2010 1:07:57 PM

Peter Fisla

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I just bought the game last night...is there a database editor for this version of the game so that I could correct the G-5/AS typo ?

Thanks!

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/28/2010 12:58:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Erkki

Probably. It does have MG131s after all. The picture is wrong though - the AS engine's engine cowling didnt have the "bulbs".

I only have so many art's to pick from, a bunch of them, are more of "what" I could use, more then what I want to use

okay, G5/AS

going to claim, designer rights here

I wanted/needed something for the G5 to upgrade to, I didn't want the LW to have to wait till late war to have a replacement for the G5, so I added the G5/AS

so, yes the G5/AS is correct and not a typo

I didn't want to add the G6/AS as a upgrade to the G5,G5/AS as I thought it would be confusing to the "normal" player to have a G5 upgrade to the G6 line, while the G6 didn't

(now, the player can do what ever they want, but the AI has to follow the rules (with in reason)

if it is felt that the G6/AS should be part of the game, I can make up some models for it, but depends on the player, also, would be upgrade for the G5,G5/AS then for the G6 ????

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RE: Additional aircraft info - 4/28/2010 1:45:06 PM

Peter Fisla

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

quote:

ORIGINAL: Erkki

Probably. It does have MG131s after all. The picture is wrong though - the AS engine's engine cowling didnt have the "bulbs".

I only have so many art's to pick from, a bunch of them, are more of "what" I could use, more then what I want to use

okay, G5/AS

going to claim, designer rights here

I wanted/needed something for the G5 to upgrade to, I didn't want the LW to have to wait till late war to have a replacement for the G5, so I added the G5/AS

so, yes the G5/AS is correct and not a typo

I didn't want to add the G6/AS as a upgrade to the G5,G5/AS as I thought it would be confusing to the "normal" player to have a G5 upgrade to the G6 line, while the G6 didn't

(now, the player can do what ever they want, but the AI has to follow the rules (with in reason)

if it is felt that the G6/AS should be part of the game, I can make up some models for it, but depends on the player, also, would be upgrade for the G5,G5/AS then for the G6 ????

Ok first, G-5/AS needs to have MG17 machine guns and not MG131. Regarding the Upgrade path I would do the following for the AI:

G-5 or G-5/AS ----> G-6/AS -----> G-14/AS -----> G-10

I believe G-6/AS and G-14/AS should be in the game as the 686 G-6/AS were built and about 1000 G-14/AS were built.

Here are some pictures of G-6/AS

http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/display.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=453

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal8/7701-7800/gal7748-Bf-109-Corral/00.shtm

Here are some pictures of G-14/AS

http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/display.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=5842

http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/display.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=5841

http://www.messerschmitt-bf109.de/display.php?lang=de&auth=e&name=version_display&fotonummer=5020

http://109lair.hobbyvista.com/multimedia/profiles/dekker/td.g14as-sw2_14jg4.jpg

http://falkeeins.blogspot.com/2010/01/bf-109-g-14-as.html

Here is an interesting DB 605 engine page:

http://w1.1861.telia.com/~u186104874/db605.htm

The following units received G-6/AS:

Late Spring 1944:
III./JG1
I./JG5
II./JG11

Early Summer 1944
I./JG3
II./JG27
I./NJGr 10

The following Units received G-14/AS

JG1
JG3
JG4
JG5
JG6
JG11
JG26
JG27
JG51
JG52
JG53
JG76

Both G-6/AS and G-14/AS used MG131 machine guns and either 20mm canon MG151/20 or 30mm K108.

G-14 Performance Data:
http://www.kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G14_May44trials/109G14_GLCE-may44_trials.html

G-6/AS Performance Data:
http://www.kurfurst.org/Performance_tests/109G5AS_Lmessung/messung_109g5AS.html

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Altitude - 9/14/2010 10:04:32 AM

Rainerle

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Hard Sarge,

do you have altitude information on the italian types and the poor Co-axis types?
Could there be a high-alt gem amongst those sub-par planes?
Are two-engined destroyers/night-fighters/jets affected by altitude?

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