Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,

There is a problem with the Polish 100mm howitzers. The 1939 on-map 100mm howitzer scetion and battery have the same stats as the off-map 100mm battery. Specifically, the 1939 on-map section and battery both have 32 men per gun. Pretty sure this is an error.

Yes thats an error...one more for the list, almost up to 100 now....
Poland has some LBM errors too but I am not sure exactly which ones to use to correct them yet, waiting for confirmation from someone.

Also, I cannot find the German 100mm field gun anywhere in any OOBs. The 100mm field gun was the standard long-range counterbattry gun in the German artillery regiments. Standard organization was 2 batteries of 105mm howitzers and 1 battery of 100mm field guns per "medium" artillery battalion. Since the 100mm field gun was such a common gun found everywhere within the German Army, it seems very odd that I can't find it in the German OOB. My guess as to stats: Accuracy 17, Range 224, Rate of Fire 5, Crew 8, Weight 210, Kill 9, Warhead 5, HE Penetration 32, AP Penetration 148, HEAT Penetration 100

First i have ever heard of this one....


Also, the German "Overstrength" off-map artillery in the Czech OOB do not have increased ammo, but they do have the increased price.

Yep, they are correct in DVRN, but not DV for some reason...good catch
one more closer to 100

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

A chart of German Artillery Production 1939-45 can be found here: http://www.feldgrau.com/weaprod.html

SPWaW OOB 1.1 (authored by Michael Wood), has a 100mm FH in the German database.

Max Range: 218
Max APCR: 0
Accuracy: 32
Warhead: 6
HE Kill: 10
Pen AP: 0
Pen HE: 32
Pen APCR: 0
Pen HEAT: 0
Type: Large Gun
Size: 12

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ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Mike did not have a "unit" listed for the 100mm FH, it's just in the weapons list.

Ok, since it's in the Czech database, that should be sufficient.

I did some checking on Leo Niehorster's Orbat site, and the 105mm K18 gun was used in corps-level artillery battalions, NOT in divisional artillery regiments.

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,
 
The weapon you are referring to in the Czech OOB, the 105mm Pz Sf IVa, is shown in the Encyclopedia as a heavy tank destroyer in 1941.  However, the Czech OOB has no tank destroyers in 1941.  The first tank destroyers show up in the Czech OOB in 1942, by which time the 105mm Pz Sf IVa is already gone (that 1942 tank destroyer carries a 128mm gun, which was probably impossible in 1942, I really question that such a weapon even existed, and even if such a weapon ever existed it probably should not be allowed by German players in 1942 since no tanks in any nation’s inventory can withstand that weapon (well maybe the JS-4s in 1948 could withstand it)). 
 
Anyway, my recommendation is delete the 105mm Pz Sf IVa (since it never appears in the game anyway) and that 128mm abomination from the Czech OOB and, using the two empty weapon slots, use one of those weapon slots to add the 10cm K 18 field gun.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

264rifle,

Those are all excellent observations. 

However, since the PzSf IVa only exists in the Encyclopedia (only two were built and the weapon never shows up in the actual game), and since only two PzSf V were ever built (both prototypes), then these two weapons could easily be deleted from the Czech OOB to make room for the 105mm K 18 field gun (over 1500 of which saw service).

There is no issue with "slots" there is room....there is even a couple slots in the actual German OOB.....I just need the unit stats.
Rgf, Targetting, size, speed, survive.....the weight yuou suggest seems a too high, most 105s in the game are around 108.....210-213 is more in line with the heavier guns...

As of today, the German OOB has no real counter-battery artillery (mainly because the ratings of the 170mm gun are messed up).  And even if someday the 170mm gun gets historically correct ratings, the 105mm gun was far more numerous.  I say that the German OOB needs a standard counter-battery gun way more than it needs two prototype self-propelled AT guns (only 4 of which were ever produced (2 each of the Pz SF IVa and Pz Sf V)).


The German OOB has no counter battery artillery??
The 210mm, 170mm, and 150mm are not counter battery capable????

The 170mm stats have already been adjusted BTW...
you are not checking the list huh?
we are almost to 100 fixes, which calls for OOB patch soon....

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,

Still not sure why you made the 170mm FG an accuracy 16 instead of 17.  It has a range of 32000 yards.  Nothing else in the game comes close to that.  It deserves an accuracy at least equal to the American 155mm FG.

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,

If you are going to leave the Pz Sf IVa and the Pz Sf V in the game (which I disagree with since only 2 prototypes of each were ever built), then you should make the Rarity at least a 4 (or whatever the maximum Rarity possible is), and not 2.

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,

The 105mm K 18 field gun IS a heavy gun.  Please don't call it 105mm K 18 FH.  It is NOT a field howitzer (FH), it is a field GUN (FG).  The Germans considered it heavy artillery.  I don't know what the crew was, but if the crew is 8 men, then the weight should be 210, and if the crew is 10 men, then the weight should be 212.  It was capable of being towed by horses, so the weight should not be more than 212.

Accuracy 17 (68 divided by 4)
Range 224 (need to verify, range 21000 yards)
Rate of Fire 5
Crew 8-10 (need to verify)
Weight 210-212 (based on crew)
HE Kill 9
Warhead 6
HE Penetration 37
AP Penetration 148+ (at least 148 need to verify)
HEAT Penetration 105
Rarity 2

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ORIGINAL: vahauser

Alby,

I thought Rarity 3 was the max.  I would make the 105mm FK a Rarity 2 and the 170mm FK a Rarity 3.