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Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:49:40 AM   
Rybeck

 

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I have a transport TF with about 6 tankers. Target and DH are Port Moresby and it's set to unload cargo. It has about 55000 fuel but even after 3 turns, nothing has unloaded. The port is NOT damaged at all (0%) and I even tried splitting the TF into three smaller TFs.

There is minimal other TF activity (loading/unloading) at Moresby. Port size there is currently 1.

Weird?
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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 11:26:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you have the tankers set to "unload" ?


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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 4:31:38 PM   
Rybeck

 

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Status: offline 		Yes the TF is set to unload. Definitely :)

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 5:08:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		With a port size of 1, I have observed very slow unloads. Actually that is historically correct.
Why would you want to unload the fuel at such a small port? You lose fuel from attrition (wastage) at any port < 3 so, unless enemy air is really threatening, I would just keep it in the TK and refuel from it. You might have to turn the TF into a replenishment TF though.
Are TKs refuelling other ships from their cargo in V1.08?
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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 5:38:17 PM   
Rybeck

 

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Status: offline 		Well, one of my important TFs is low on fuel, and I don't have a replenishment TF at hand ... so I don't have a choice. It's the tankers unloading there or nothing :) 

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 6:48:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can refuel your TF from tankers at sea....

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 7:03:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		You can refuel TFs from AOs in a replenishment TF, but not TKs.  You can not put TKs in a replenishment TF. There is a replenishment TF with 7 TKs in it at the beginning of the game that you can use (assuming you didn't disband it).

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 7:31:05 PM   
MineSweeper


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Status: offline 		You can refuel from tankers in a non-replenishment TF.....@ a Transport TF that has Tankers loaded with fuel....





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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:15:23 PM   
Mike Solli


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Status: offline 		If you're talking about refueling ships within a TF that has TKs loaded with fuel, yes, you're right Minesweeper.  I was talking about a non-replenishment TF with TKs loaded with fuel trying to refuel another TF.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:27:14 PM   
Rybeck

 

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Status: offline 		Yes I was referring to the second instance, Mike. I have TF 1 with capital ships low on fuel and TF 2 is a non-replenishment TF with tankers loaded up with fuel. So I still have to get TF 2 to unload fuel at a port so TF 1 can head to said port and refuel right?

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:31:23 PM   
Mike Solli


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Yes I was referring to the second instance, Mike. I have TF 1 with capital ships low on fuel and TF 2 is a non-replenishment TF with tankers loaded up with fuel. So I still have to get TF 2 to unload fuel at a port so TF 1 can head to said port and refuel right?


Yes, you're right. Sorry but I have no idea why your TF won't unload the fuel though.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:35:27 PM   
Rybeck

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah it's weird. I know size 1 ports are pretty slow at unloading, but after 2-3 turns and still ZERO fuel has been unloaded ... really weird.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:36:01 PM   
MineSweeper


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Status: offline 		Rybeck you do not need to wait to unload the fuel into the port.....Just have TF 1 refuel at sea if it is in the same hex as task force 2 (might not fill 100%).....depending on how many ships are in each TF as regarding to op points.....

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:41:57 PM   
Rybeck

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah I tried that and it helped some but I'm still puzzled why TF 2 doesn't seem to want to unload any fuel into an undamaged size 1 port. Ah well...

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:46:04 PM   
MineSweeper


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  I was talking about a non-replenishment TF with TKs loaded with fuel trying to refuel another TF.

That's what I am talking about....you can refuel task force A (SC TF - BBs, CAs and etc) from task force B (Transport TF - Tankers(with fuel), APs and ect....) at sea or in port.....

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 8:48:00 PM   
Mike Solli


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Status: offline 		That's odd.  Gotta try that tonight.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:19:35 PM   
MineSweeper


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That's odd.  Gotta try that tonight.

An example.....
1. Transport TF w/ Tankers (with fuel)
2. SC TF low on fuel
3. Refueled SC TF from Transport TF
4. 2 Tankers are lower in fuel after fueling the SC TF.





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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:21:41 PM   
Mike Solli


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Status: offline 		Now that I think about it, I believe you're transferring fuel from the transport TFs ship fuel supply, not the TK storage.  I often see this happen in my cargo TFs refueling the small escorts.  The only time I recall seeing a TK (not in a replenishment TF) refuel ships from the TK storage is internal to that TF (again, usually refueling the short range ships in the TF).

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:22:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe all of your TFs are sucking up the fuel unloaded each turn. If you have them set for auto refuel, they will suck the port dry.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:22:33 PM   
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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:23:38 PM   
Mike Solli


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That's odd.  Gotta try that tonight.

An example.....
1. Transport TF w/ Tankers (with fuel)
2. SC TF low on fuel
3. Refueled SC TF from Transport TF
4. 2 Tankers are lower in fuel after fueling the SC TF.






That's interesting. Try the same thing with a cargo TF with AKs hauling anything except fuel. It'll still work, but the fuel comes out of the AKs fuel.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/7/2007 9:27:36 PM   
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That's interesting. Try the same thing with a cargo TF with AKs hauling anything except fuel. It'll still work, but the fuel comes out of the AKs fuel.


Correct - I refuel subs the same way if they don't need torps....AK in the area, sub meets AK in the middle of the ocean and bam - sub refueled without going to a distant port.....


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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/8/2007 4:03:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		You have to set transport TFs to "do not refuel", otherwise they will suck up your fuel as fast as you unload it.

One of the major annoyances of this game is that the default mode of all TFs is "refueling OK". This, to help the imbecile AI, I expect.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/8/2007 6:38:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		"One of the major annoyances of this game is that the default mode of all TFs is "refueling OK". This, to help the imbecile AI, I expect."

And the forgetful player!!!

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/9/2007 5:04:43 AM   
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"One of the major annoyances of this game is that the default mode of all TFs is "refueling OK". This, to help the imbecile AI, I expect."

And the forgetful player!!!

Actually what it does is kick the forgetful player in the nuts. It only takes one big convoy arriving at a forward base set with "refueling OK" to wreck an otherwise well-planned offensive.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/9/2007 5:10:56 AM   
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That's odd.  Gotta try that tonight.

An example.....
1. Transport TF w/ Tankers (with fuel)
2. SC TF low on fuel
3. Refueled SC TF from Transport TF
4. 2 Tankers are lower in fuel after fueling the SC TF.






That's interesting. Try the same thing with a cargo TF with AKs hauling anything except fuel. It'll still work, but the fuel comes out of the AKs fuel.

I think this is a bug...I'm pretty sure that the game design is supposed to only let AO's replenish from fuel stores.

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/10/2007 12:23:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't consider it a bug.....I think that a ported TF could refuel from a ported Transport TF with tankers in it......why unload the fuel into the port and then have it reloaded to a TF at the port.....?

Destroyer's escorting a AK supply TF gets refueled at sea automatically at some point during a long trip from fuel laden AKs.....

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/10/2007 10:47:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Another option would be that transport task forces only refuel at their destination if they cannot make it back to their home base with their current fuel load. That way they would only refuel at their home base (which is likely to be a major port) and not suck dry their destination bases.

Do you think that would work??

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RE: Can't seem to unload fuel at Moresby - 8/10/2007 3:45:28 PM   
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Another option would be that transport task forces only refuel at their destination if they cannot make it back to their home base with their current fuel load. That way they would only refuel at their home base (which is likely to be a major port) and not suck dry their destination bases.

Do you think that would work??

This is SOP for me. When I create a new transport TF, first thing I do is set to "do not unload, do not refuel". APs and AKs generally have enough fuel to get anyplace and back. If the escorts need fuel, they will refuel at sea from the transports regardless of "do not refuel", which only effects refueling from ports.

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