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OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 6:47:59 PM

Cavalry Corp

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In my game stock PBEM in Aug 43 I have found even the good Jap navy pilots are not good enough in the A6M3a but how much better is the Zeke which starts arriving ina couple of weeks ? Can Iwish its better then the jack?

Can it stand up to allied fighters with good pilots likethe P38,Corsair etc

At the mopment I would rate my jap fighers as follows

JACK
TONY
ZERO ( ALL TYPES )
TOJO
2E TYPES

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 6:50:52 PM

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I love the Jack and you do not get Tony/Tojo for the navy.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 6:52:16 PM

Cavalry Corp

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Yes know I do too but the Jack tony do not have 8 or 11 range and not allowed on CV
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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 8:10:02 PM

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

In my game stock PBEM in Aug 43 I have found even the good Jap navy pilots are not good enough in the A6M3a but how much better is the Zeke which starts arriving ina couple of weeks ? Can Iwish its better then the jack?

Can it stand up to allied fighters with good pilots likethe P38,Corsair etc

At the mopment I would rate my jap fighers as follows

JACK
TONY
ZERO ( ALL TYPES )
TOJO
2E TYPES

m

the Zeke won�t be as good as the Jack but better than the Zero

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 8:16:02 PM

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Can it stand up to allied fighters with good pilots likethe P38,Corsair etc

Nope.

Shindens are the only thing that can.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 8:28:34 PM

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My experience is that while the Zeke can't go toe to toe with P-38s and F6Fs and come out ahead, they will shoot down some enemy planes and they certainly do better than the A6M2 or A6M3a. As far as fighting Corsairs, your best option is to blow up your own planes and then have all your pilots shoot themselves. The end result is the same and you use fewer supplies.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 8:38:45 PM

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In my game the A6M5 manages a 1:3 ratio against F6Fs, which I consider good assuming pilot exp is level on both sides. Best upgrade them to Jacks ASAP for your land based sqds as they are hopeless against the modern US Army fighters.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 8:56:12 PM

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In my game the A6M5 manages a 1:3 ratio against F6Fs, which I consider good assuming pilot exp is level on both sides. Best upgrade them to Jacks ASAP for your land based sqds as they are hopeless against the modern US Army fighters.

This is better than in real life I believe, so 1:3 is not bad at all.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 4/30/2008 10:08:40 PM

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Much much better than in RL, but then again my pilots were higher than the 20 exp cannon fodder in RL.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 4:16:04 AM

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Well, since the title says whats better on CVs, your only choices at this stage is A6Ms. And yes, the 5 (Zeke) is better than the 3 or the 3a except in range, but the 5 is long enough to escort your Jills / Judys.

As for how to fight the allied fighters, you need experience more than good planes. A good pilot (80+ exp) in a A6m2 is better than a 60 exp pilot in a A6m8. All I operate from my carriers is 80+ experience aircrew. You do this by disbanding land based squadrons into the carrier groups. This must be done on a land base.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 6:43:22 AM

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As far as fighting Corsairs, your best option is to blow up your own planes and then have all your pilots shoot themselves. The end result is the same and you use fewer supplies.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 4:47:57 PM

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Just curious - is that in one of the games you are playing using B-Mod or some other game?

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ORIGINAL: Miller

In my game the A6M5 manages a 1:3 ratio against F6Fs, which I consider good assuming pilot exp is level on both sides. Best upgrade them to Jacks ASAP for your land based sqds as they are hopeless against the modern US Army fighters.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 5:57:36 PM

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Well, since the title says whats better on CVs, your only choices at this stage is A6Ms. And yes, the 5 (Zeke) is better than the 3 or the 3a except in range, but the 5 is long enough to escort your Jills / Judys.

As for how to fight the allied fighters, you need experience more than good planes. A good pilot (80+ exp) in a A6m2 is better than a 60 exp pilot in a A6m8. All I operate from my carriers is 80+ experience aircrew. You do this by disbanding land based squadrons into the carrier groups. This must be done on a land base.

Oh so you disbaned land pilots into CV unis - seems to take away the whole purpose of CV trained ??
I asusmed you took of the units from the CV with repl off and send them to China or smilar ?

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 8:40:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Well, since the title says whats better on CVs, your only choices at this stage is A6Ms. And yes, the 5 (Zeke) is better than the 3 or the 3a except in range, but the 5 is long enough to escort your Jills / Judys.

As for how to fight the allied fighters, you need experience more than good planes. A good pilot (80+ exp) in a A6m2 is better than a 60 exp pilot in a A6m8. All I operate from my carriers is 80+ experience aircrew. You do this by disbanding land based squadrons into the carrier groups. This must be done on a land base.

Oh so you disbaned land pilots into CV unis - seems to take away the whole purpose of CV trained ??
I asusmed you took of the units from the CV with repl off and send them to China or smilar ?

M

Most Jap navy single engine land based air units are carrier trained as well, just as all (most?) US Marine single engine planes are carrier trained. No, I dont take pilots off the carriers to train them. I put experienced pilots (trained in land based units) into the carriers air groups.

As for replacements off, I operate my entire airforce (allies or Japs) with replacements off (as many other people do as well). I decide which units will get replacements and which wont, and just how many they get. Jap navy pilots (CHS) start with around 80 experience. ONLY Jap carrier fighter units get navy pilot replacements in my navy. Everything else gets bled white, disbanded into other units and come back in 90 days (with a full load of pilots not drawn from my precious pilot reserve) and start their training. Once the pilot pool runs out (usually mid to late 42) then I can replace the recon pilots on the ships, transports, Emilys ect. But I ONLY use my 80 experience pilot replacements for carrier fighter groups.

The game I have in Sept 43, I still have 150 army pilots in the pool. There again, ONLY fighter units get the pilot replacements. Bomber units are bled white and disbanded.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 9:51:46 PM

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Yes its your 1.3 mod.

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ORIGINAL: Big B

Just curious - is that in one of the games you are playing using B-Mod or some other game?

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ORIGINAL: Miller

In my game the A6M5 manages a 1:3 ratio against F6Fs, which I consider good assuming pilot exp is level on both sides. Best upgrade them to Jacks ASAP for your land based sqds as they are hopeless against the modern US Army fighters.

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RE: OK How good is the 1943 Zeke for CV? - 5/1/2008 10:43:03 PM

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Just wondered,

When testing, with all experience set at 65, and and odds of 1:1 (say 21 vs 24, etc) I was getting pretty consistent results of about 1.5 to 1, up 2 to 1 with F6F's and F4U's vs A6M5's, I was sure the game would do it too - if combat odds and experience levels were equal.

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ORIGINAL: Miller

Yes its your 1.3 mod.

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ORIGINAL: Big B

Just curious - is that in one of the games you are playing using B-Mod or some other game?

quote:

ORIGINAL: Miller

In my game the A6M5 manages a 1:3 ratio against F6Fs, which I consider good assuming pilot exp is level on both sides. Best upgrade them to Jacks ASAP for your land based sqds as they are hopeless against the modern US Army fighters.

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