Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: MaraTheFinn

For a realistic game:

- If the air war is not going as it did, allies had still few aces in their sleeve.
- There is always a weapon to counter an other weapon. It was so in ancient times and still is today.
- So if LW get very good planes and achieve some results the allies really have needed P51H, B29 etc. They had them but they never needed them. If USAAF had 100 P51D’s against a handful of Ta152’s with poor pilots, why bother.
the real trouble will be if the Allied player, has not broken the LW, if the LW is healthy, then the fancy late war models could be war winners
- According to LW success allies should have their own miracle weapons too and only in that case.

If that is not possible because of the programming difficulties, you should at least limit all miracle weapons to some special squadrons. After a few months time in the game they might be generalized to all units. As always there might be difficulties in programming that .

That leads to:

Some 500 P51H’s were made before VJ-day but none left USA before Korea. By then they were called F-51H’s. Even then more D’s than H’s were used in there. That was because Mustang was by then fighter bomber and jets dominated. P51H might enter Europe if and only if escort fighter losses start to go over 10% in every mission for at least two months in a row after mid 1945. Does that sound right? To include standard P51H’s into game needs inclusion of Luftwaffe’s 1946 miracle machines to the game too. That might lead to major extension to the game.
Sources: AF Legends number 209, NA P-51H Mustang by David McLaren and WW2 Aircraft Fact File Part 2, USAAF Fighters by W. Green and G. Swanborough.
H is in the game

B29’s might enter Europe if and only if B17 and B24 combat losses start to go over 10% in every mission for at least two months in a row after end of 1944. Does that sound right? In Casablanca conference January 1943 they decide to use B29’s also against Germany. The plan was to fly shuttle missions between North Africa and England. That did not materialize because of B29’s development delays. In June 1944 it was seen that air war against Germany would be over until B29’s could arrive. The decision was made to use them solely against Japan.
Source: B-29 Superfortress The Ultimate Look: From drawing board to VJ-day by William Wolf. If and only if Germany can strugle beyond year 1945 then you should decide if B29’ should have been equipped with atomic bombs. That too should be in major extension of the game.
the 29 can be added, the trouble is when, the early test model I made of it, was a lot of fun to play with (well, for the Allies it was fun

no A-Bombs, game is not set up for that kind of damage
About late war British planes I miss only Spitfire 21. 22 and 24 were its derivates with buble hood. Spit 21 had a different, stronger wing with speedier dive. It was also some 10-12 mph faster than XIV at all altitudes. All that in spite it weighted more. First squadron was operational in April 1945 (Squadron 91). That was the only unit to see combat in 21’s.

almost any plane type can/could be added, as long as I got good stats on the plane, I can model it (hassle is getting good stats) but overall, the biggest drawback, is artwork, our artist a long time ago was given a list of planes, some one else wanted, once I took over, I added a number of planes I could think of in a hurry, as the artist was almost done, of course, I missed some that I would of liked in hindsight

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ORIGINAL: MaraTheFinn

... If B29's enter ETO give ME262 weapon systems a change to enter too...

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

About late war British planes I miss only Spitfire 21. 22 and 24 were its derivates with buble hood. Spit 21 had a different, stronger wing with speedier dive. It was also some 10-12 mph faster than XIV at all altitudes. All that in spite it weighted more. First squadron was operational in April 1945 (Squadron 91). That was the only unit to see combat in 21’s.

almost any plane type can/could be added, as long as I got good stats on the plane, I can model it (hassle is getting good stats) but overall, the biggest drawback, is artwork, our artist a long time ago was given a list of planes, some one else wanted, once I took over, I added a number of planes I could think of in a hurry, as the artist was almost done, of course, I missed some that I would of liked in hindsight

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

if I only needed the side veiw, those would be great

I need top down art, 3/4 top down art (turned 45 degree), top down pink screen, 3/4 top down pink screen

(don't know the correct name, but when I look at it, it is a pink screen)


you know, I got to say, all my life, I never been a big spit fan, but if nothing else, this game has given me a very healthy respect for the plane


(on a side note though, the biggest improvement to the Spit, was the US fuel, the LW with poorer fuel, was able to stay close, and at times get ahead, what would of happened if the LW would of been able to use the same fuel the Allies were using (side, side note, look at the Frank, war time, stats, JP stats, it is a nice plane, but.., after war testing, they got that thing flying faster then the P-51 and P-47s and were shocked at how good a plane it really could of been, George too, to a lesser degree, both had the design, and the engine, just not the fuel to fly it to what they could of really of done)

(hassle in a lot of flight sims, they use the after war testing, to model the planes, when the planes couldn't do what they did in the afterwar testings, of course, as good as they were, or could of been in the air, you still didn't want to land them)

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de note though, the biggest improvement to the Spit, was the US fuel, the LW with poorer fuel, was able to stay close, and at times get ahead, what would of happened if the LW would of been able to use the same fuel the Allies were using (side, side note, look at the Frank, war time, stats, JP stats, it is a nice plane, but.., after war testing, they got that thing flying faster then the P-51 and P-47s and were shocked at how good a plane it really could of been, George too, to a lesser degree, both had the design, and the engine, just not the fuel to fly it to what they could of really of done)

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

hmmm, if you can give me tops and sides, I think I can handle the pink
hassle, I need the 45 top down, I can't make that (or I am forgetting something)

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

dang it

when I save that, it dirties up the pink (one of the reasons, I can't do much with the art myself)

but here is some of what the art needs (of course, needs to all line up correctly, those are off on my copy

if you can give me top and side, I may be able to play with pink ???

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ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not to mention what you'd have to do for N Africa on the ground war & air bases since the campaign would be starting just after Torch

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

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ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Not to mention what you'd have to do for N Africa on the ground war & air bases since the campaign would be starting just after Torch

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still don't understand why they never went with the air to ground missles they already had (of course, I would hate to be the guy in the He 177 or Do 217 trying to fire and guide one into a Bomber formation)

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ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Dixie

well, not so sure it was really a bad idea, the Idea itself is pretty good, getting it to work, now that was a different story :)

a small, light, cheap reuseable weapon, that wouldn't take much of a trained person to use, massive firepower, something that didn't really need to aimmed correctly, to have a chance to hit something

hassle is, it is a rocket, attached to a plywood frame, kind of ruff to have a good mission, when take off, tended to kill the pilot

(I think they tried to use some of those features in the F-104, that didn't work out too well either)

still don't understand why they never went with the air to ground missles they already had (of course, I would hate to be the guy in the He 177 or Do 217 trying to fire and guide one into a Bomber formation)

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