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Throwing planes overboard - 6/21/2009 11:11:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering if the completely ahistorical and operationally (practically) suicidal (gamey in the extreme) practice of taking aboard stray aircraft from damaged aircraft carriers to such an extent that operations are closed down has been re-worked? No Captain of any ship is going to imperil his own command to pack his hangar and deck park to such an extent that he can no longer operate aircraft. This simply never happened. In cases where strays were recovered those that were damaged were heaved over the side (the pilots were not however). In no case was the operational capability of the carrier placed at risk for the sake of a few airframes.
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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/22/2009 8:41:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hard to work out, IMHO the aircraft should be able to land, but maybe you should be able to "disband" the fragment and absorb the pilots and have the aircraft in a "reserve" status.

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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/22/2009 12:17:17 PM   
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I was wondering if the completely ahistorical and operationally (practically) suicidal (gamey in the extreme) practice of taking aboard stray aircraft from damaged aircraft carriers to such an extent that operations are closed down has been re-worked? No Captain of any ship is going to imperil his own command to pack his hangar and deck park to such an extent that he can no longer operate aircraft. This simply never happened. In cases where strays were recovered those that were damaged were heaved over the side (the pilots were not however). In no case was the operational capability of the carrier placed at risk for the sake of a few airframes.


I cant say I have ever seen a carrier take on enough strays to shut down operations. If you have an example, please post it.

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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/22/2009 12:54:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger


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ORIGINAL: spence

I was wondering if the completely ahistorical and operationally (practically) suicidal (gamey in the extreme) practice of taking aboard stray aircraft from damaged aircraft carriers to such an extent that operations are closed down has been re-worked? No Captain of any ship is going to imperil his own command to pack his hangar and deck park to such an extent that he can no longer operate aircraft. This simply never happened. In cases where strays were recovered those that were damaged were heaved over the side (the pilots were not however). In no case was the operational capability of the carrier placed at risk for the sake of a few airframes.


I cant say I have ever seen a carrier take on enough strays to shut down operations. If you have an example, please post it.



I have done this too many times(LOL)..All you need do to see it is to have maybe 2, 3 friendly cv's nearby and lose one, or worse, 2..
The surviving planes will all land on the remaining carrier and clog the deck(accurately)..
Bad time for the enemy to show up..

While this will prevent CAP, the next turn you will be allowed to transfer those stragglers to another base,(if in range).

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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/22/2009 1:09:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		It shouldnt take on more that the 15% over - in other words, it shouldnt shut down flight ops. Personally I havent seen it because I rarely travel out of air transfer range of a friendly base and when I do, I usually have empty CVEs trailing me to take on any extras as needed.

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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/23/2009 2:22:58 AM   
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The surviving planes will all land on the remaining carrier and clog the deck(accurately)
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This is not accurate...part of the reason Zuikaku couldn't participate in the Midway operation was because it threw a bunch of aircraft over the side at the end of Coral Sea after it ended up as the only flight deck in town. In the necessary haste to land all (the surviving) strike aircraft from the both Shokaku and Zuikaku the deck crews made a quick survey of the planes as they landed and pushed even lightly damaged aircraft over the side to make room for those that needed to land afterwards. Because the aircrew were part of the ship's company in the IJN, CARDIV 5 ended up with two depleted airgroups after the battle (Shokakus aircrew/planes returned to Shokaku after the battle even though Shokaku was hors de combat due to damage).

Landing planes and saving the aircrew is not an issue here. Doing so to the extent that flight operations are curtailed is just not something that any responsible CO would do. Airframes have always been considered expendable and extras would be jettisoned without a second thought to maintain a combat ready ship.


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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/23/2009 2:27:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a case in point. The planes shown are ready planes. A bunch more are in reserve so they don't show up in the airgroups.





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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/23/2009 2:45:16 AM   
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RE: Throwing planes overboard - 6/23/2009 4:27:04 AM   
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Here is a case in point. The planes shown are ready planes. A bunch more are in reserve so they don't show up in the airgroups.



54/58 wont stop flight ops. 54/62 wont stop flight ops. 54/63 would. Orange means over its max but still flying. Red means they arent flying anymore.

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