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Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 5:15:40 AM

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Here is an excellent desk-top background of USS Hornet at Santa Cruz that I found, and just had to share.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 5:21:57 AM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 7:42:39 AM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

Wonder if it was part of the procedure in closing down the flight-deck of a USN Carrier under attack. To mount a flag and pole at the stern end of the flight-deck to warn Pilots that the deck-landing operations were closed down.

Just seems out of character that an artist who has obviously done so much research to put a illustration of this quality together, would make a mistake like putting a flag in the wrong place.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 11:43:09 AM

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So why aren't the AA guns firing? The Zero in the painting is well within the 20mm guns' range along the port side of the flight deck.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 1:31:26 PM

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They had to stop firing because they might have it the artist who was, quite obviously, right behind the plane.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 1:37:52 PM

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Thats my loading splash screen

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 2:44:08 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 3:11:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DivePac88

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

Wonder if it was part of the procedure in closing down the flight-deck of a USN Carrier under attack. To mount a flag and pole at the stern end of the flight-deck to warn Pilots that the deck-landing operations were closed down.

Just seems out of character that an artist who has obviously done so much research to put a illustration of this quality together, would make a mistake like putting a flag in the wrong place.

It wasn't.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 3:20:33 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 5:26:28 PM

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It wasn't.

Thankyou for that.

He oughtta change his moniker to "Terseminus."

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 6:21:49 PM

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He oughtta change his moniker to "Terseminus."

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 6:43:02 PM

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Oh, no! You used the word "toe". We're doomed!

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 6:43:09 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

I know, it was to stop a JAPANESE plane from landing, thus preventing the enemy pilot from running up to the bridge, and capturing the carrier.

Or, maybe this was a very elaborate " Capture the Flag " operation none of us has ever heard of ?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 6:47:45 PM

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Did she really still have the launching guide stripes for the Doolittle raid painted on her deck by the time of the Santa Cruz battle?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 8:33:02 PM

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Well, the artist was not very good in pointing reality

1. No gunners around the guns (notice port aft 5in bty)
2. No lighter guns (1,1in) firing around - their tracers surely could be visible
3. What will be Jap Zero doing that close? It should be fighting american figters!
4. Deck was cleared of ALL aircraft long before each attack! We all know what happened to carriers with deck full of planes, didnt we?
5. The Flag was usually flying from the bridge, certainly not the from the flight deck!
6. Explosion just over the carrier is pointing to some almost-friendly-fire incident. No reason to fire 5 inchers that low - they were used agains DBs before they commenced they dive primarily.
7. Shouldnt be the carrier in full starboard rudder already ? (Zero is low - could be taken for torpedo bomber - tactic was to keep them aft of the carrier to lenghten their run)

EDIT: "right" exchanged for "starboard" - for you navymen

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/19/2009 8:35:17 PM

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I never thought that picture was realistic (I've used for years as my own loading splash screen in stock), just a nice painting.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 5:14:51 AM

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Yes� I knew this illustration wasn�t historically perfect when I found it, but I think there are still some redeeming qualities about it. It just simply makes a good desktop on my laptop, and that�s it just a desktop, not a record of the battle of Santa Cruz.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 5:44:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Barb

Well, the artist was not very good in pointing reality

1. No gunners around the guns (notice port aft 5in bty)
2. No lighter guns (1,1in) firing around - their tracers surely could be visible
3. What will be Jap Zero doing that close? It should be fighting american figters!
4. Deck was cleared of ALL aircraft long before each attack! We all know what happened to carriers with deck full of planes, didnt we?
5. The Flag was usually flying from the bridge, certainly not the from the flight deck!
6. Explosion just over the carrier is pointing to some almost-friendly-fire incident. No reason to fire 5 inchers that low - they were used agains DBs before they commenced they dive primarily.
7. Shouldnt be the carrier in full starboard rudder already ? (Zero is low - could be taken for torpedo bomber - tactic was to keep them aft of the carrier to lenghten their run)

EDIT: "right" exchanged for "starboard" - for you navymen

All this and you didnt mention the lack of smoke from the funnel?

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 8:38:14 AM

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A recent survey of soccer mums, showed that the type of person most likely to criticise this illustration were most likely look like this.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 10:11:21 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Barb
Well, the artist was not very good in pointing reality

1. No gunners around the guns (notice port aft 5in bty)
2. No lighter guns (1,1in) firing around - their tracers surely could be visible
3. What will be Jap Zero doing that close? It should be fighting american figters!
4. Deck was cleared of ALL aircraft long before each attack! We all know what happened to carriers with deck full of planes, didnt we?
5. The Flag was usually flying from the bridge, certainly not the from the flight deck!
6. Explosion just over the carrier is pointing to some almost-friendly-fire incident. No reason to fire 5 inchers that low - they were used agains DBs before they commenced they dive primarily.
7. Shouldnt be the carrier in full starboard rudder already ? (Zero is low - could be taken for torpedo bomber - tactic was to keep them aft of the carrier to lenghten their run)

EDIT: "right" exchanged for "starboard" - for you navymen

All this and you didnt mention the lack of smoke from the funnel?

UH-OH! My fault! My fault!

I use to have this beauty on my Desktop:

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 4:14:41 PM

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I use to have this beauty on my Desktop:

Well:

1) Despite an evident strong breeze, and with the mainsails and a jib set, she appears to be making no headway

2) The boat approaching the ship of the line will never be able to come safely alongside with her underway.

3) Why are her guns run out?

4) Those stratonimbus are waaaay too low

5) The officer on the poop deck as early 17th Century epaulets

lastly

6) Those are african swallows..I am quite sure of it.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 4:22:28 PM

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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

quote:

ORIGINAL: Barb

I use to have this beauty on my Desktop:

Well:

1) Despite an evident strong breeze, and with the mainsails and a jib set, she appears to be making no headway

2) The boat approaching the ship of the line will never be able to come safely alongside with her underway.

3) Why are her guns run out?

4) Those stratonimbus are waaaay too low

5) The officer on the poop deck as early 17th Century epaulets

lastly

6) Those are african swallows..I am quite sure of it.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 5:00:00 PM

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If they are, they are definitely unladen swallows considering their attitude and climb rate.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 5:29:59 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

quote:

ORIGINAL: Barb

Well, the artist was not very good in pointing reality

1. No gunners around the guns (notice port aft 5in bty)
2. No lighter guns (1,1in) firing around - their tracers surely could be visible
3. What will be Jap Zero doing that close? It should be fighting american figters!
4. Deck was cleared of ALL aircraft long before each attack! We all know what happened to carriers with deck full of planes, didnt we?
5. The Flag was usually flying from the bridge, certainly not the from the flight deck!
6. Explosion just over the carrier is pointing to some almost-friendly-fire incident. No reason to fire 5 inchers that low - they were used agains DBs before they commenced they dive primarily.
7. Shouldnt be the carrier in full starboard rudder already ? (Zero is low - could be taken for torpedo bomber - tactic was to keep them aft of the carrier to lenghten their run)

EDIT: "right" exchanged for "starboard" - for you navymen

All this and you didnt mention the lack of smoke from the funnel?

Maybe it was an early, early prototype of nuke propulsion, and the funnel was just a disguise.

Very enjoyable painting!

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 5:33:26 PM

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Wait! Hold on, fella's! I just realized something after looking at both of these very cool paintings. I think some people who are creating things might actually sacrifice a bit of realizm to enhance the fun!

It's a shame no one ever considered that for computer games.

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 6:12:41 PM

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or movies...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 6:23:30 PM

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If they are, they are definitely unladen swallows considering their attitude and climb rate.

Well, it's likely that they have previously arrived at their destination, delivered their cargo (not to be confused with "dropping their load") and are now on the return leg.

They appear to be following a technique developed by the Japanese for night bombing navigation...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 6:29:53 PM

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Wait!� Hold on, fella's!� I just realized something after looking at both of these very cool paintings.� I think some people who are creating things might actually sacrifice a bit of realizm to enhance the fun!�

You mean in the same sense that Brian sacrificed his sandal?

quote:

It's a shame no one ever considered that for computer games.�

I think "Pong" might have taken a run at it, but those who plaster words like "historical" and "realistic" all over their binary boolsheet maybe could stand to come clean and say how far they ARE departing from their understanding of history and realism.

Before we give a game designer credit for "sacrificing a bit of realizm," maybe we should inquire into what the bleeder understood about what the realitiez were before he started sacrificing...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 6:42:22 PM

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Must have been difficult to land on her with that big flagstaff at the end of the flight deck...

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RE: Desk-top of Hornet at Santa Cruz. - 6/20/2009 7:52:00 PM

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" 6) Those are african swallows..I am quite sure of it. "

" If they are, they are definitely unladen swallows considering their attitude and climb rate. "

I am not sure if it is a good, or bad sign that I immediately thought " Holy Grail ". Can too much Monty Python be bad for you ?

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