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Just bought this.. which patches - 12/31/2009 7:40:56 PM   
htuna


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Status: offline 		Hi, Just bought this and in the process of downloading... Will I also need the 1.03 and 1.04 patches? of is the download the latest version? If it isn't the latest version, is the 1.04 patch cumulative, so I would only need that?

thanks in advance..
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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 12/31/2009 8:55:00 PM   
htuna


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Status: offline 		Found another post where it said 1.04 was all you needed.. but should use 1.03 if you want to tweak files.. does this mean mods don't work with 1.04?

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 12/31/2009 8:57:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		no mods do work but you cannot tweek the pdt and the obx files they as in jason had it locked down due to some complaints in PBEM situations

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 1:36:14 AM   
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Found another post where it said 1.04 was all you needed.. but should use 1.03 if you want to tweak files.. does this mean mods don't work with 1.04?


The game is still completely moddable; organization files, graphics, sounds, movement graphics, etc etc.

The only exceptions are the platoon**.obx and weapon.pdx files.

But then, all you have to do is email the platoon**.oob and weapon.pdt files to me for conversion.

Simple as that.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 2:11:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		simple as that...yeppers.....easy as 123 ....I am sorry jason but still that is ignorant process....but each his own....if you read some of the post it does tell you how you can edit those files in an open text type file...there is a formula that you can use to get the correct character length for those particular files thereby bypassing the need to email for for conversion. There is many things you can do with the platoon files and weapons files. Adding specific units in the core file so therefore you can add to the overall order of battles. You can do this with every army in all 3 games. Also I believe if you dig enough you can find out how to a nationality that is not covered. I did add Brazil to my OOB. They did not have a large contingent but play a important role in the battle of the bulge. This is my opinion , Jason you guys do great work but like that old toothache that keeps comming up it is painful but still should be addressed. It is amazing that for example Forge of Freedom is totally moddible from Units to major upgrades with no encryption and there has not been any complaints. Same goes for the OOB's LOS and AI files for the Battleground Series. AGEOD is a great program to mod and the designers actually help you go through the various things to mod. Silent Hunter 3 and 4 same there. It just begs the old cliches is a PBEM game that much more important then the rest of the community that does mods for their own personal play?

Also think about the next upgrade, so the community can't change those 2 files they will change the character length again so any mods you have done will not be compatable with the new upgrade. If there is going to be that much of an upgrade they should go to a new engine and format that gets the same results.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 2:45:15 AM   
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simple as that...yeppers.....easy as 123 ....


Yes it is, I am glad you agree.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:00:13 AM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		Why are you at the CS series so different then the other titles of matrix? Why is your philosophy of game dynamics different then the others? I would think that as a policy all game titles would be the same, specifically from Matrix and not just one in the series of titles that is rigid in standards? If your policy is the golden rule then why is the other groups not picking up on that? Oh I forgot that is from the specific few users that whined about PBEM fairness.......

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2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:11:25 AM   
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Why are you at the CS series so different then the other titles of matrix? Why is your philosophy of game dynamics different then the others? I would think that as a policy all game titles would be the same, specifically from Matrix and not just one in the series of titles that is rigid in standards? If your policy is the golden rule then why is the other groups not picking up on that?


Matrix Games is the distributor.

There are many different groups creating the numerous titles that have no connection to each other but are brought together by Matrix Games. I have no clue what the War in the Pacific team is doing, nor do they know what I am doing. Heck, same goes for the TOAW series... or anything else.

How each of them decide to offer their games or the tools they provide is up to the developer.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:27:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		But are you not just a user with input....basically a modder that is not a paid employee but just a consumer?

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6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:30:22 AM   
Jason Petho


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But are you not just a user with input


I would venture to say more a long time user whom was given the opportunity to partake in developing... and enjoying every moment of it.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:33:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would love to see the game engine revamped to be able to handle larger maps, A more intelligent placement of troops in a DCG but again that is not being looked at because that requires a new engine and Matrix won't pay for a new engine. The modding community is freeware. The enahncements we make entice new players to purchase the older titles at a profit. The more free enahncements we do the more money matrix makes on sales thereby making thier P an L statement look better. Do you not think that Matrix is in it for the money at the least cost? HPS stuff is the same as the talonsoft's with a twist. Frankly I would love to see the Flames of War game completed before a modded version of an old title...modern wars....hmmmmmm think about new graphics to the same line of code that does yes no operations in an old engine....

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:36:48 AM   
Jason Petho


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The modding community is freeware.


Yes, they are. Unfortunately, the code isn't freeware and not available to be distributed. I don't see that happening anytime soon although I wish it would as I know of extremely talented people whom could give the engine a good work out, especially in particular to HAL. Regardless, there will be improvements coming to HAL in the future, will just take time, and will be provided to the community in the usual free UPDATES.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 3:59:35 AM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		I was not talking the source code for the executable......the easily modifiable platoon and weapons file.....you can edit those to get around some of the intricities of the engine. That is why I think what you did was assanine to the community as a whole is all

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 8:24:04 AM   
Jason Petho


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I was not talking the source code for the executable......the easily modifiable platoon and weapons file.....you can edit those to get around some of the intricities of the engine. That is why I think what you did was assanine to the community as a whole is all


I disagree.

The engine needs a serious overhaul, much of which cannot be glossed over with modded platoon and weapon files.

Otherwise, those that do platoon and weapon modding are quite content sending the files over for conversion.

Since you don't need the conversion (based on your other thread in the mods section) and I've never seen a file from you, why is this an issue for you? You can modify your game to your hearts content on your own accord.

Jason Petho


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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 1:50:30 PM   
htuna


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Status: offline 		One thing first off that I thought was a bummer was the screen flashing when moving around.. not sure I noticed this with my Talonsoft disk (might've played that in XP though). I can remedy it by making my display go to 16 color.. but it would be nice if you didn't have to change it every time before you start.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 1:55:55 PM   
htuna


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Status: offline 		One good thing I noticed right off over the old Talonsoft was the music was 'listenable'... did that change, if so, that's one thing for the better..

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 4:30:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		change your theme to classic and that would clear that right up

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 4:37:24 PM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		Jason,I have sent you a couple of requests sdkfz 11 smoke generator being 1 and never got a response nor confirmation as to what was happening with it so I have guessed your (a user) process is flawed. Hence headstrong attitude.

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games:
1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 4:41:22 PM   
Jason Petho


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Jason,I have sent you a couple of requests sdkfz 11 smoke generator being 1 and never got a response nor confirmation as to what was happening with it so I have guessed your (a user) process is flawed. Hence headstrong attitude.


All units will be considered and added to future UPDATES.

The smoke generator is slated for the 1.05 UPDATE.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1891183

Don't forget to add new units there.

Jason Petho


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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 4:52:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		this was before that was set up. I think a few weeks. I did send it to you and nothing was done so therefore the process did not work.

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2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 4:57:31 PM   
Jason Petho


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this was before that was set up. I think a few weeks. I did send it to you and nothing was done so therefore the process did not work.


Probably why that thread was set up back in August.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:01:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		true but still the process you said would work did not true?

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2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:08:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		interesting will be considered? so if the request does not meet your standard it does not get included thereby no further attention....that smacks of true favortism....that is why I am hard headed about the weapons file and platoon file......the decision is yours , a user, not a a game designer for matrix but a user. As you can see that is a flawed process that does show favortism in a particular fashion to the PBEM community vs the regular gamer that enjoys the game for what it is. Talonsoft was never like that. They never let a user dictate what can be included. They took things under advisement and gave you reasons as to why it would or not for the whole of the game. You my freind have individual scenarios and LCG's in mind as always never the DCG campaigner. Oh well I said my piece and regardless what I think it will always be this way with this game. I just hope the rest of the games from Matrix will not be this way.

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:12:15 PM   
Jason Petho


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true but still the process you said would work did not true?


There wasn't an official process before the thread for new units. Hence, it was created.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:13:48 PM   
Jason Petho


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interesting will be considered?


I presume you realize that there are a limited number of platoon ID's available.

That being the case, not everything can be included, so consideration has to be given to new units.

Common sense.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:16:21 PM   
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Talonsoft was never like that. They never let a user dictate what can be included.


That's right, they never gave you the choice.

The code was cracked by users, not given freely by Talonsoft.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:25:38 PM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		Curious do you Have a BXA License to be able to send electronic data in email via the internet from Canada to the US? Does Matrix have an exemption that would allow you to do this? I am curious is all.

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:27:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes the code for the executable....not the weapons and the platoon file.

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:34:14 PM   
Jason Petho


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Yes the code for the executable....not the weapons and the platoon file.


Yes, even the weapons and platoon files.

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RE: Just bought this.. which patches - 1/1/2010 7:34:50 PM   
marcbarker


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Status: offline 		Here is the rub....what do you consider a priority on units.....various iterations of the same truck, jeep etc. with a different passenger and load capacity? Upteen air to ground support units? Hmmmmm.....you want to make this into an ASL system and it just isn't. This is a company to corps size stragy game...Just curious as you progress into modern wars you have so many more variations of the same thing for the same function and if this is included into the WWII structure then of course you will run out of numbers. I am just making the point that Jason as well versed as your sense of well placed intentions, brass tacks is that either Matrix locks down everything or nothing

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1. AGEOD Blue and Gray
2. John Tiller's Battleground Series
3. Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord
4. Combat Mission: Barbarossa to Berlin
5. V for Victory Games
6. Silent Hunter III
7. Silent Hunter IV
8. Rise and Fall of the Third Re

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