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Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/29/2021 10:23:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Seems the code auto-docks a shakedown TF, if any ship in the TF has supplies loaded.

I created a support shakedown TF in San Diego with AK, AE, AG, and AVD ships. Two AGs were loaded with supplies as well as one AVD. The TF was set to Do Not Unload. Checking the TF, the TF lagged somewhat in their exp gain compared to other TFs. During one turn I finally noticed the TF was docked by the code in San Diego. Undocked the TF and ran the turn. Next turn was the same story. I gave the TF a Patrol are in San Diego hex. Next turn, the code overrode the Patrol and docked the TF again. Finally I unloaded the TF in San Diego. Next turn the code finally left the TF in San Diego hex unmolested.

So, unload your ships before starting a shakedown cruise in a hex with a port.
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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/29/2021 12:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Did you tell the TF to Stop Loading Supplies? It won't leave the port even if undocked if it's still loading. I've overlooked that more times than I can count.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/29/2021 12:32:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, the ships were fully loaded with supplies when disbanded in San Diego via load tender button. Only later did I form the shakedown TF with them.

The most annoying thing was the code overriding the Patrol orders.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/29/2021 4:09:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think the key might be the order to upgrade. I have had tender type ships with supplies on board not unload when I moved them between ports etc,. but I always leave them set to "Do Not Upgrade".

Someone posted recently that if a tender was set to "Upgrade Allowed", it would start unloading supply while it was disbanded in port. I haven't seen that myself, but that is what I understood from the discussion. Normally, when I want to upgrade a tender with supplies on it, I put it in a TF, dock it, set it to unload and auto-disband, and of course set "Upgrade Allowed".

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/29/2021 11:24:46 PM   
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I think the key might be the order to upgrade. I have had tender type ships with supplies on board not unload when I moved them between ports etc,. but I always leave them set to "Do Not Upgrade".

Someone posted recently that if a tender was set to "Upgrade Allowed", it would start unloading supply while it was disbanded in port. I haven't seen that myself, but that is what I understood from the discussion. Normally, when I want to upgrade a tender with supplies on it, I put it in a TF, dock it, set it to unload and auto-disband, and of course set "Upgrade Allowed".


Yes, the ships will slowly unload in port before the upgrade. It is actually quicker to put it in a TF, dock it, then unload it with the TF disbanding, and the upgrade set to "Yes" so it will upgrade. Once the ship has started the upgrade and/or repairs, you can go to the repair screen then select "Load Tenders" and the ships will load.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 5:47:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can put a loaded xAK in a shipyard for repairs. SS Silvermaple had a bad day, limped into Saigon with part of her load intact, and went straight into the shipyard after the fires were extinguished.



Here she is the next day:





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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 6:29:09 AM   
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You can put a loaded xAK in a shipyard for repairs. SS Silvermaple had a bad day, limped into Saigon with part of her load intact, and went straight into the shipyard after the fires were extinguished.



Here she is the next day:





Yes, non-tender type vessels do not have to unload their cargo before upgrades either. The thing I was describing where ships unloaded automatically while disbanded is strictly for tender type vessels with upgrade enabled and due.


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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 4:27:33 PM   
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quote:

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You can put a loaded xAK in a shipyard for repairs. SS Silvermaple had a bad day, limped into Saigon with part of her load intact, and went straight into the shipyard after the fires were extinguished.



Here she is the next day:





Yes, non-tender type vessels do not have to unload their cargo before upgrades either. The thing I was describing where ships unloaded automatically while disbanded is strictly for tender type vessels with upgrade enabled and due.



Ummmmm . . .

That ship is repairing not upgrading, there is a difference.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 4:43:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed. However, as BBfb says, you can "order" a loaded transport into upgrade.

Conversions are a different matter, though.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 8:34:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Ian R

You can put a loaded xAK in a shipyard for repairs. SS Silvermaple had a bad day, limped into Saigon with part of her load intact, and went straight into the shipyard after the fires were extinguished.



Here she is the next day:





Yes, non-tender type vessels do not have to unload their cargo before upgrades either. The thing I was describing where ships unloaded automatically while disbanded is strictly for tender type vessels with upgrade enabled and due.



Ummmmm . . .

That ship is repairing not upgrading, there is a difference.

You misunderstand my drift. The thread prior to Ian R's post was all about tender type vessels. Ian R interjected the post about a non-tender type repairing. I steered the discussion back toward tender type vessels while pointing out the difference between non-tenders and tenders re: cargo on board before upgrading. I am well aware the screenshot show a non-tender under repair, but that was never the subject of discussion.


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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 5/30/2021 8:36:44 PM   
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Indeed. However, as BBfb says, you can "order" a loaded transport into upgrade.

Conversions are a different matter, though.

Good point about the conversions - so many ifs, ands and buts in this game!

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/1/2021 12:29:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, checked my support TFs once again.

I had three shakedown TFs with support ships, that had some supplies loaded - one TF in San Diego, Sorebaja and Sidney respectively. The infuriating auto-docking only happened in San Diego. Since the West Coast bases have artificially high supply-required values, I reckon San Diego tried to snatch any supplies present in the hex.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/1/2021 1:30:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you give them a one hex patrol pattern in the port hex instead of letting the TF just sit in the port hex you will have no problems with autodocking.

Besides, actually doing something seems like a more realistic approach to a shakedown cruise.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/1/2021 3:26:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		But Hans, San Diego also overrode Patrol orders for that TF. That was driving me mad!

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/1/2021 9:31:15 PM   
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But Hans, San Diego also overrode Patrol orders for that TF. That was driving me mad!



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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 2:09:30 AM   
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But Hans, San Diego also overrode Patrol orders for that TF. That was driving me mad!

You are going to have to start showing screen shots - I have never seen the behaviour you are describing unless it was a patrolling TF returning automatically to refuel. I don't have ships with supply on board doing patrols so I can only suppose that such a TF might unload the supply while it was refueling.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 8:37:38 AM   
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Here it is.

Beginning of turn 23. Went to San Diego to check my shakedown TF on Patrol orders and found it docked in San Diego



Compare it to a smiliar TF in Sorebaja on the same turn. The code left the TF alone.




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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 9:28:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmm, have to admit that I have never given a Patrol order to a Cargo TF before.

Would have every expectation of it behaving strangely if I did.

I typically reserve Patrol orders for TF types that actually want to be patrolling.

Just a wild guess, but this may be the root of your problem.

Three of the ships in the TF are also empty. It may be docking in an attempt to fill the empty cargo space.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 9:33:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Damn, now I see it!

I don't know how it happened, but my San Diego TF has Cargo mission instead of Support mission. This probably made the code dock this TF in San Diego.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 11:24:02 AM   
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Damn, now I see it!

I don't know how it happened, but my San Diego TF has Cargo mission instead of Support mission. This probably made the code dock this TF in San Diego.

The San Diego TF is also showing 125 Ops points used - about what typically is used to refuel a TF. If the Patrol Zone orders show "Full Refuel" at San Diego, they will do that every turn. And if the TF is just set to "Full Refuel" on a one hex patrol, it might do the same too. Watch the numbers for the supply on board every turn to see if that changes, loading or unloading.

Also, I have the impression from way back that ships moving at sea gain experience faster than ships on a one-hex patrol or remaining on station. If the ships you are training have a 75 hex range, why not send them out 20 hexes, move another 20 hexes to another at-sea location and 20 hexes back. Time spent cruising overnight seems to raise the night experience much better than sitting in a port hex overnight.

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RE: Shakedown cruises and auto-docking - 6/2/2021 12:14:52 PM   
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