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HB Losses - 5/13/2012 10:41:19 PM

Chris21wen

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I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/13/2012 11:47:09 PM

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ORIGINAL: Chris H
I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

High Bomber? Heavy Bomber? Hard Base? Home Base?

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 12:41:18 AM

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You are playing Allies, I assume? You should post a loss screen, that would help.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 8:10:29 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H
I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

High Bomber? Heavy Bomber? Hard Base? Home Base?

HB stands for heavy bomber as per the game.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 8:27:41 AM

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You are playing Allies, I assume? You should post a loss screen, that would help.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 12:34:23 PM

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I think we need more information as to how you are using your HB. That said, I see that roughly 40% of your losses are operational. Perhaps you need to stand them down more between missions to let fatigue recover a litle more. Again, that is conjecture as I really don't know how you are using them at this point.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 1:22:15 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

Maybe "very hard" explanes your high losses, because AI gets combat bonuses?

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 2:18:00 PM

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With 40% of operational losses I would take a look to the airfields where your heavies are based: are they undersized?

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 2:22:53 PM

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I think we need more information as to how you are using your HB. That said, I see that roughly 40% of your losses are operational. Perhaps you need to stand them down more between missions to let fatigue recover a litle more. Again, that is conjecture as I really don't know how you are using them at this point.

I stand them down when fatigue gets to 25-30 and/or moral drops to 50. I also try and stand them down when operational a/c is less than damaged. I rarely fly extended missions.

Now one thing that does appear high to me is the ops losses.

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ORIGINAL: Puhis

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

Maybe "very hard" explanes your high losses, because AI gets combat bonuses?

I was wondering if anyone else was playing very hard for a comparison.

< Message edited by Chris H -- 5/14/2012 2:24:26 PM >

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 2:59:55 PM

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I typically stand down HB when fatigue is in the teens.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 3:24:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

quote:

ORIGINAL: vettim89

I think we need more information as to how you are using your HB. That said, I see that roughly 40% of your losses are operational. Perhaps you need to stand them down more between missions to let fatigue recover a litle more. Again, that is conjecture as I really don't know how you are using them at this point.

I stand them down when fatigue gets to 25-30 and/or moral drops to 50. I also try and stand them down when operational a/c is less than damaged. I rarely fly extended missions.

Now one thing that does appear high to me is the ops losses.

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ORIGINAL: Puhis

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

Maybe "very hard" explanes your high losses, because AI gets combat bonuses?

I was wondering if anyone else was playing very hard for a comparison.

I used to think ops losses were high too, until I started doing some exploring on my own. I encourage you to do this. I don't think most realize how high they were.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 4:03:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: nate25

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

quote:

ORIGINAL: vettim89

I think we need more information as to how you are using your HB. That said, I see that roughly 40% of your losses are operational. Perhaps you need to stand them down more between missions to let fatigue recover a litle more. Again, that is conjecture as I really don't know how you are using them at this point.

I stand them down when fatigue gets to 25-30 and/or moral drops to 50. I also try and stand them down when operational a/c is less than damaged. I rarely fly extended missions.

Now one thing that does appear high to me is the ops losses.

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ORIGINAL: Puhis

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chris H

I'm playing against the AI at very hard. It's mid 1945 and my HB losses are very high and was wondering what the situation is with others.

Maybe "very hard" explanes your high losses, because AI gets combat bonuses?

I was wondering if anyone else was playing very hard for a comparison.

I used to think ops losses were high too, until I started doing some exploring on my own. I encourage you to do this. I don't think most realize how high they were.

I think a lot of people don't realize what an operational loss really is. You may not lose the crew, but the plane is unrepairable...that is an operational loss. The plane isn't even necessarily destroyed, just in no shape to ever fly again...causes:

1. Stressed airframe
2. Extensive structural damage
3. Crash landing
4. Lack of spare parts

Those are just some of the possibilities.

Just an example, IIRC the B-26 Marauder had more casualties due to operational losses than due to enemy action. It was nick-named 'the widowmaker' due to its being very accident prone with the early models. In practice, the B-26 ended the war with the lowest loss rate of all Allied bombers. It simply took a few minor modifications and proper training of the aircrews to bring the high OPs losses to an end.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 6:29:52 PM

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Learn how to fly your B-26! This will help keep ops losses down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSIsoj1QPAc

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RE: HB Losses - 5/14/2012 7:28:02 PM

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where sqns that run continuous ops (esp. at high altitude) will gain fatigue and lose morale, leading to high ops losses.

here's some suggestions:
- increase the # of trained pilots in each sqn, don't rely on a minimum pilot staff.
- as a sqn approaches morale decrease to 80, place it on Training (range 0, alt 5k) let it return to 95+ morale.
- sqns w/ high fatigue & low morale will continue to experience ops losses during Training, use 50% or more to reduce fatigue as they train.
- review sqn leaders, purchase high Insp & Ldr values for sqns, purchase high Air values for AirHQs.
- if you want to run continuous raids, set your operational sqns to 30% rest, they'll have much more staying power.
- get AirHQs into command-radius range of your bomber bases.
- for strat targets, concentrate your forces, & don't bother to target LI. consider switching to Night attacks at 7-8k alt, instead of high-alt daytime raids.

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RE: HB Losses - 5/15/2012 3:38:56 AM

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IN addition to jmalters list:
- get bigger base size
- get more AV support

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RE: HB Losses - 5/15/2012 5:45:05 AM

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and just to pile on, lemme add that there's add'l synergy to be found when your sqns and their local AirHQ are assigned to the same commandHQ (also there's a sense that the basehex command HQ should be changed to match, but i'm not certain about that).

so after you've spent PP on upgrading your sqn leaders, & your AirHQ leaders, you have the add'l opportunity to spend more PP on your command structure. so for example, you're flying out of bases in the Marianas, and have 'XI Bomber Command' in Guam. nearby sqns will get more benefit from being inside that HQ's command radius if they're assigned to 'XI Bomber Command'.

when you've got your bomber offensive running, don't get upset by combat results that show a main effort by 189 planes, followed by attacks from a few groups of 18 or 9 planes. due to the multiple 'checks' that the game-engine imposes, it's extremely rare that all your bombers will arrive over a target at the same time, usually you'll always get a few 2ndary attacks. but if 2ndary attacks involve more than 15% of your total strength, you'll need to review your command & leader assignments.

i guess the bottom line is, that during the late game, your 4E sqns need a lot of hands-on management. based on the loss-screen you posted, i'd imagine you're having trouble keeping these sqns equipped w/ airframe replacements. IMO you need to stand down awhile - re-think, re-organize & re-build. Allied 4E can deliver devastating damage. you must decide how they operate - do you want a continuous attack, or a surge/rebuild cycle?

AFAIK, playing against the AI at 'very hard' level gives it no advantage to combat results, but allows it to ignore restrictions usually imposed when supply levels are low.

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