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The Games On The Shelf!!! - 12/2/2002 11:12:34 AM   
RevRick


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Status: offline 		I don't know what you did, but it sure has all get out has fouled this game up now but good!

I am losing two ships a day to G4M and G3M torpedo attack on ships IN PORT in Australia. At this rate, there won't be a need for Kamikazes, the IJN can sink the whole USN fleet before it ever puts to sea! Not only that, but the IJAAF has slaughtered the AF in Port Morseby - 67 fighters in the first raid, another 18 ( of 23 left) in the second. This has gone from being fun to watchint sheep get castrated.

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- 12/2/2002 3:58:24 PM   
Inigo Montoya

 

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Status: offline 		What difficulty level are you playing on?

Is FOW on?

What scenario and month are you talking about?

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Response... - 12/2/2002 9:27:55 PM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Status: offline 		Inigo asks some good questions. Also, why not put some CAP over your Australian airfields and ports? That should put a stop to Betty raids - they can get there only without escort (unless your opponent has Gili Gili or some such).

Air battles certainly could go poorly before and I had some similar experiences in earlier version of UV when hit with a very large, heavily escorted and well-rested IJN raid at PM. If it was an Airfield Attack, some of the losses could be on the ground as well, check the Intel screen.

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Settings and Stats.. - 12/2/2002 9:29:55 PM   
RevRick


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check with AC losses on Intel Screen - 75 claimed (from combat reps) showing 58 actual losses of P39 & P40 in one day. In addition, that raid had three (count'em) NELLS who managed to put a torpedo into Hobart in port.

Same day in Cairns, one AK serverely damaged by torp by G4M and two MS hit, one sunk. DD attacked but not hit.

This is the fourth of fifth time that G3M and G4M have raided Aussie ports and have had hits every raid with torpedos in past week or so game time that IJAF has been spectaculary successful

And another thing!! I had four TF's in the vicinity of the Canal - three of them had LRCAP then ran out of assets. The only TF hit by anything other than stiff breezes was the only TF w/o LRCAP - and this has happened consistently throughout almost six months of game playing in all versions. I wrote this off as a shrug to the AI, but now that AI can cripple ships in port at will, with unescorted raids and wreak holy havoc with escorted raids, I have to wonder if the game bias has not been changed a little too much. And these are not to be compared to the raids on Darwin - that was a combined attack by VT and VB craft - these are land based bombers by themselve in miniscule numbers (3-11 AC) The only thing that tells me is that the IJ has a problem with bomber production - but I knew that anyway.

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Erik - - 12/2/2002 9:33:55 PM   
RevRick


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Status: offline 		I have had CAP up in Aussie Ports since first raid. P-39D and Whirraway's - P-39's ought to be able to really put a hurt on Betty's with a 37mm - if the thing shoots.

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One thing I've noticed... - 12/2/2002 10:34:20 PM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		When I have CAP over ports, raids are very rare. Only once did the BettyBoops attack (8 Bettys vs 7 Wirraways...about 50% intercept, no kills) and they sank an SC. I've no real problem here, I'd just like to see the Worrywarts get just 1 kill.;)

I do find the air combat a little too deadly, it seems that the a/c which try to break off engagement are getting slaughtered despite their intent.

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Non CAP raids - 12/3/2002 12:19:09 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, I have been hit many times when I forget to put the CAP up.
When I remember the Betty/Nell raids never come.
Bomber groups will abort missions if enemy CAP present and they have no escorts (too few escorts)

It does not seem to matter what aircraft are flying CAP
Wirraways will abort unescorted missions the same as P-40
(bombers only count the number not the type)

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Response... - 12/3/2002 1:24:14 AM   
Erik Rutins

 

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Status: offline 		RevRick,

We've been checking into things - have a look at Dave's latest post. Suggest you get 2.11 when it's released, the results you were seeing may have been due to a last minute bug that slipped through our net.

Regards,

- Erik

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EGAD!!! - 12/3/2002 2:11:30 AM   
RevRick


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Status: offline 		I have to say that I really admire the way y'all respond to us. If this was a test bed for WitP, then that is going to be one whale of game with all the input you are getting - both good and bad! And thanks.

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- 12/3/2002 2:39:28 AM   
Admiral DadMan


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Status: offline 		In a current PBEM game, I had troops landing at both Lea Lea and PM. LRCAP was first over PM, then Lea Lea. In 4 separate turns, the bombers attacked where the LRCAP [I][B]wasn't[/B][/I].

What's driving that?

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- 12/3/2002 2:55:14 AM   
Inigo Montoya

 

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Status: offline 		Admiral, I think it's the AI. I think in order to give the computer even half a chance against us, they let the AI see the disposition of our CAP and LRCAP, then determine the best targets. Food for thought, eh?

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Computer - 12/3/2002 2:57:20 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hi, Hey I am not a computer. But I do see where Dadman is placing his CAP. (its called recon)

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- 12/3/2002 3:05:14 AM   
Admiral DadMan


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami
[B]Hi, Hey I am not a computer. But I do see where Dadman is placing his CAP. (its called recon) [/B][/QUOTE] Now you know that I know that you know that I know that you know.

You must have my password :D. Then again, if you did, you would have not taken the lickin' I gave ya @ Lea Lea...

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Password - 12/3/2002 4:10:06 AM   
mogami


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Status: offline 		Hey, "CrispinCrispianIJN19Dadman" was not that hard to figure out. (must be a mutha typing it every turn)

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- 12/3/2002 4:49:21 AM   
Inigo Montoya

 

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Status: offline 		Whoops! Sorry to call Mogami AI. You DID say PBEM, so I just wasn't paying attention.

8 )

Mogami - go to the war room and respond to my post in your Japanese Strategy guide.

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Re: Computer - 12/3/2002 10:26:31 AM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami
[B]Hi, Hey I am not a computer. [/B][/QUOTE]

Some may argue that point Master Mogami! :D

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Re: Password - 12/3/2002 11:03:22 AM   
Admiral DadMan


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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami
[B]Hey, "CrispinCrispianIJN19Dadman" was not that hard to figure out. (must be a mutha typing it every turn) [/B][/QUOTE]aohhh so close baby puppy. It's really "crispycritterMogamiUSN19", but I'll give you a pass in mourning for your brave sub crews who gave their lives when crushed beneath all those AP's they were sinking...

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