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[ANSWERED] Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 1:40:13 AM

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I have been fiddling with the Editor again! Over the skies of Nth Vietnam Migs with AA-2 and Crusaders with AIM9D the Migs seem to come out on top most of the time. Saying that the Reds do have a bit of support from AAA and SAMs, however the SAMs and AAA don't seem to hit a lot.

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 4:47:30 AM

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Savegame please? Could be a thousand reasons why this happens

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 5:48:14 AM

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here's my scenario

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 5:55:33 AM

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Just running the scenario again it appears the F=8 don't want to fire. The Wild weasals are doing well though

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 1:05:12 PM

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I had a quick look and you gave the Vietnamese the wrong MIG-21 version, it should be the MiG-21PFM version with the AA-2a missile from 1963 and you programmed in the MiG-21bis Fishbed N with the AA-2c from the mid 1970's into your scenario. You also put pilot quality for all sides to regular while one could argue that the US naval pilots should be better trained then their Vietnamese counterparts.

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 1:17:58 PM

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just as a history buf mind u, not a former or current fighter jock...
It seemed the issue was pilot quality more than plane ... hopefully the sim models that

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 1:30:55 PM

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The game does manage the pilot quality pretty well with advantages given to better pilots. But the differences between these MIG versions and their weapons is also significant, lets just say it's a combination of both ;)

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 7:25:11 PM

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Hi just run in thru and fired 6 AIM-9D Sidewinders in auto control :)

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Just running the scenario again it appears the F=8 don't want to fire. The Wild weasals are doing well though

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 10:32:04 PM

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Ok gotta love this game for what it is. Just removed all the AAA and SAMs replaced the 21 with Mig19 the Crusaders have a ball tested a half dozen times complete wipe out of the Migs very low a/c loses to the US.
A quick summary,a true defence is a combo of A/c and ground defences. Are Mig21 far superior to Mig19s or is it the missile they carry?

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/4/2015 11:36:48 PM

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Well, are you asking for game reference... Its like asking is a hammer better than a scre driver often but I would say yes a 21 should have, again not looking at the databses, better than the 19.

IT interesting when testing troops and equipment the shocking reality is elite or veteran or just better lead and better trained troops with poorer equipment consistently do well in real time tests...

ITs seems almost illogical that my green troops with the best stuff should not step into a combat sim ground or air, and at least hold their own against the oposition feilding yesteryear weapons, but...

So I am glad this game aka as a sim can model fatigue and expereince....

So completely looking forward to the newest release and maybe in the not too distant future h2h

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RE: Crusaders Vs Mig21 - 10/5/2015 4:14:10 AM

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Nup just fiddling, just love mucking around with the editor. my original post was just an unlearned comment.

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