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Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/22/2015 2:09:08 AM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Newest beta scenario for testing...

It's 1965 and the Soviet Union has transformed Tanzania into an "African Cuba." The United States sends a carrier group to eliminate this threat to world peace and world stability. How much gear do the Tanzanians have? Will the Soviets get involved?

As always, I'm interested in feedback, comments, observations, etc. How well do the various Events (including two weather changes and, depending on circumstances, an authorization to use nuclear weapons) work? Are there any bugs that need to be fixed? How is the gameplay? Is the scenario fun, challenging, and plausible enough that people can suspend their disbelief? What can I do to make the scenario better?

Thanks!

[version 3 uploaded 12:35 PM EST 1/1/16]




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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/22/2015 3:47:10 AM   
magi

 

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Status: offline 		im playing now.... the sidewinder aim-9C's are not working... had s good fight right off... guns and sidewinder aim9-b's were fine... but not one launch of a C series and there were plenty of opportunities.... enjoying this so far....

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/26/2015 2:37:37 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Anyone finished this one yet? How is it working? Does anything need to be fixed or changed? Thanks.

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/27/2015 4:38:03 AM   
Primarchx


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Status: offline 		Played it a bit and still quite early. Those AIM-9Cs are junk. I had Crusaders on a closing stern line of a straight and level MiG-19 going under 500kts, same altitude and the seeker saw nothing. Guns got the kill while the AIM-9C was still complaining of not seeing the target. Not sure why Tanzania is sending MiG-19s over 250nm out over the ocean chasing bogeys at night in isolated pairs. May want to restrict their hunting grounds? Otherwise it's a fun challenge as always, Mark.

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/27/2015 11:00:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		AIM-9C is not infrared guided (and obviusly "the seeker saw nothing"), is a very rare short range semi-active radar homing missile (and also almost useless in the real life). Probably do you need to iluminate the target with the Crusader radar.
The idea was copied by the Soviets also in a K-13 Atoll derivative, the K-13R, also a real life failure.

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/27/2015 2:35:59 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		New version uploaded with a few tweaks. Gave all the Crusaders AIM-9Bs to start with and reduced the amount of AIM-9Cs on the ship...there are some left if you run out of the Bs, but you don't have to rely on them so much now. Modified the Tanzanian patrols a bit, too...they should be a bit harder to beat now.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks!


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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 12/27/2015 3:10:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Broncepulido

AIM-9C is not infrared guided (and obviusly "the seeker saw nothing"), is a very rare short range semi-active radar homing missile (and also almost useless in the real life). Probably do you need to iluminate the target with the Crusader radar.
The idea was copied by the Soviets also in a K-13 Atoll derivative, the K-13R, also a real life failure.

Of course. The radars were on but still no joy. An SARH should get some sort of glimmer inside guns range...

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/1/2016 12:05:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Scored 2000+ points Triumph with 2 days 4 hours to go, and it felt quite easy all in all, maybe too easy.


SIDE: United States
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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2x A-4E Skyhawk
1x RF-8A (F8U-1P) Crusader


EXPENDITURES:
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61x 20mm Mk12 x 4 [100 rnds]
30x AGM-12B Bullpup A
18x AGM-12C Bullpup B
46x AIM-9B Sidewinder
384x Mk4 Mighty Mouse Rocket (Mk40)
4x Mk44 Mod 1
30x Mk77 Mod 1/2/3/4/5/6 500lb Incendiary Bomb
60x Mk81 250lb LDGP
72x Mk82 500lb LDGP
34x Mk83 1000lb LDGP
8x Mk84 2000lb LDGP
2x RIM-2E Terrier
5x RUR-5A Mod 3 ASROC RTT [Mk44]
120x ZUNI 127mm HVAR Rocket



SIDE: Tanzania
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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8x 23mm ZU-23-2
4x 57mm ZSU-57-2
4x Ammo Shelter
1x Building (Airport Terminal)
2x Building (Control Tower)
38x MiG-19PM Farmer D
1x Radar (Generic Air Traffic Control)
12x SA-2b Guideline Single Rail
2x Vehicle (Fan Song B [SNR-75])
2x Vehicle (Spoon Rest A [P-12])


EXPENDITURES:
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256x 57mm ZSU-57 HE
37x AA-1a Alkali Mod 2 [RS-2US]
3x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
17x SA-2b Guideline [SA-75M Dvina, 11D / V-750V]



SIDE: Soviet Union
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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1x BPK Kashin [Pr.61]
2x Commercial Dry-Bulk Carrier - Handysize [35,000t DWT]
1x EM Skory Project 30bis
2x EM Skoryy Mod [Pr.31 Besshumny]
1x KR Chapaev
8x MiG-21PF Fishbed D
1x MT T-43 [Pr.254K/M]
1x PB Don [Pr.310]
1x PLA-627A November [Kit]
2x Tu-16K-10 Badger C
1x VT Kazbek


EXPENDITURES:
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18x 100mm/56 Frag
6x 100mm/56 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
8x 130mm/58 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
20x 37mm/63 Twin Burst [20 rnds]
1x 53-57 Pattern [NATO 53-56]
27x 57mm/70 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
37x 57mm/81 ZIF-71 Quad DP [6 rnds]
2x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
9x SA-N-1b Goa [M-1M/P Volna-M/P, 4K91 / V-601]
4x SS-N-3a Shaddock [P-6, ASM]



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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/1/2016 4:35:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AlexGGGG

Scored 2000+ points Triumph with 2 days 4 hours to go, and it felt quite easy all in all, maybe too easy.




New version uploaded keeping AlexGGGG's comments in mind. What I did was to assume Hancock had experienced a fire on her flight deck a few days ago (are the comments in the orders clear on this...and phrased the way they would have been under the circumstances?). As a result, about twenty of her A/C are in maintenance, including some of the Crusaders and half of the E-1s. (I didn't want to do more than that because I figured if the carrier had really been crippled, the mission would have been scrapped until another carrier could be sent.) This should be enough to even the odds a bit.

Please let me know what you think. Thanks!



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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/1/2016 5:17:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe adding one more Soviet sub to keep player occupied with ASW too? Though then you might need additional ASW assets..like proper helicopters...

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"To meaningless French Idealism, Liberty, Fraternity and Equality...we answer with German Realism, Infantry, Cavalry and Artillery" -Prince von Bülov, 1870-


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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/3/2016 2:00:26 PM   
Mgellis


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Status: offline 		Any additional thoughts or observations on this one? Or is it ready for the Community Scenario Pack? Did reducing the number of available aircraft make the scenario a better balance/more challenging/more fun? Thanks!


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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/3/2016 9:06:25 PM   
Primarchx


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Status: offline 		Just got to the update with this one. Lots of fun, Mark! Had to shoot down a pair of Sov Fishbeds early, as they decided to overfly my CVBG (no!). Just finishing an exciting RF-8 run over Dares Salaam and planning the first strike of the morning. Lost a Spad to AAA off the Sov picket destroyer but sank it. Just starting to pick up the Sov convoy, too.

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/4/2016 12:18:23 PM   
Primarchx


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Status: offline 		Other than a few application hiccups (see Tech Support threads) this one is a winner, IMHO. Resources are taut, challenges are interesting. Just starting my attacks on the airfields now but was able to run a RF-8 over Dares Salaam without any corresponding SAM fire. Also seems like Tanzanian a/c are not paired up, they come at me in disordered singles quite often. Great to play the Crusader - tons of guns kills!

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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/4/2016 10:44:39 PM   
Primarchx


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Status: offline 		Here's a screenshot just after my third air-to-air loss. The MiG-19s have been deadly in close-in, nose-on AA-1A shots. No warning and not a bad ph% at all for the era. You can see Checkmate 10 circling around to get on the now-dead MiG's tail. Both downed aircraft had been located near the origin of the still-intact course line.

I took a high-deflection cannon shot with Checkmate 8 seconds seconds before the AA-1 hit. Both the MiG and Crusader went down in flames, a mutual kill. This was my carrier air wing's 30th aerial kill in a little over a day.




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RE: Operation Bayern, 1965 -- new beta for testing - 1/4/2016 11:09:41 PM   
Primarchx


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Status: offline 		Just concluding my air strike on Zanzibar when the mission ended. Hit the SA-2 site hard with some great Bullpup shooting, too! Final tally on Tanzanian MiG-19s post-strike is 30.

quote:

Admiral, we congratulate you on a successful mission. To you and to those under your command, we offer the thanks of a grateful nation.


Triumph: Final Score 1140

SIDE: United States
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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1x AD-6 Skyraider
1x A-4E Skyhawk
3x F-8E Crusader


EXPENDITURES:
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49x 20mm Mk12 x 4 [100 rnds]
45x AIM-9B Sidewinder
1x RIM-2E Terrier
126x ZUNI 127mm HVAR Rocket
64x 20mm M3 [200 rnds]
32x Mk77 Mod 1/2/3/4/5/6 500lb Incendiary Bomb
78x Mk81 250lb LDGP
20x AGM-12B Bullpup A
2x Mk44 Mod 1
92x Mk82 500lb LDGP
8x Mk83 1000lb LDGP
3x 20mm Mk12 x 2 [50 rnds]
2x Mk37 Mod 1
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
72x Mk4 Mighty Mouse Rocket (Mk40)
6x AGM-12C Bullpup B
1x Mk14



SIDE: Tanzania
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
25x MiG-19PM Farmer D
4x 23mm ZU-23-2
1x Vehicle (Spoon Rest A [P-12])
6x SA-2b Guideline Single Rail
1x Vehicle (Fan Song B [SNR-75])
1x Radar (Generic Air Traffic Control)


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
5x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
33x AA-1a Alkali Mod 2 [RS-2US]
1x SA-2b Guideline [SA-75M Dvina, 11D / V-750V]



SIDE: Soviet Union
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------
8x MiG-21PF Fishbed D
1x EM Skory Project 30bis
2x EM Skoryy Mod [Pr.31 Besshumny]
1x PLRK-651 Juliett
1x Commercial Dry-Bulk Carrier - Handysize [35,000t DWT]


EXPENDITURES:
------------------
46x 37mm/63 Single Burst [20 rnds]
4x 85mm/52 Twin
11x 12.7mm/50 MG Burst [160 rnds]
6x 130mm/58 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
2x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
4x Generic Acoustic Decoy
7x SA-N-1b Goa [M-1M/P Volna-M/P, 4K91 / V-601]
4x 100mm/56 Twin HE Burst [2 rnds]
95x 37mm/63 Twin Burst [20 rnds]
2x SET-40M [MGT-2]

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