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Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 10:38:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		If I understand correctly, after refusing the Vichy event you have to take Algiers to force the France surrender, and the the first who takes Algiers gains all France territories and loot.
This looks totally unrealistic. Germany should take all France territories and war loot even if an italian unit enters Algiers first, in return Italy should get Tunisia and a small amount of the loot (no more than 15% to account Italy war effort).
This solution also avoid a gamey outcome such as creating a superpowered Italy with the acquisition of the entire France.
Just curious to know what others think about this.
Anyway, following a few more AAR videos posted so far, I must say that SC3 looks a lot better than the previous version, I can easily anticipate countless hours spent on this game.
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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 2:22:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		if the Italians take Algeria do they get a bump in MPP?

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 2:33:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Apparently, if the Italians take Algeria they get all the loot (i.e. a lot of mpp) and the control of whole France and french colonies while the Germans get nothing.
I can hardly imagine this as a possible historical outcome.
Anyway, only Bill or Hubert can explain what is happening exactly in this case .


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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 3:52:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the country that takes the last capital of a country is the one that the surrendering country surrenders too, so it is strongly recommended to move a German unit in rather than an Italian one.

Players are of course free to experiment and try out different options, but in my opinion moving a German unit in is the wisest choice.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 4:40:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

Yes, the country that takes the last capital of a country is the one that the surrendering country surrenders too, so it is strongly recommended to move a German unit in rather than an Italian one.

Players are of course free to experiment and try out different options, but in my opinion moving a German unit in is the wisest choice.


Thank you Bill.
I understand that. Of course, mpp wise, is better having France surrending to Germany than to Italy.

Thanks again for the clarification.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/20/2016 6:06:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		then it might be best to allow the Italian to capture minor countries like Greece and Yugoslavia.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/23/2016 2:26:44 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CAHouston

then it might be best to allow the Italian to capture minor countries like Greece and Yugoslavia.


It looks like that might be a way to go to help your pathetic ally out.

I dislike the "shared" MPP's of the minors with the major power. Watching the video because they use German MPP's the Romanian and Hungarian forces are tippy top fighting units rather than ancillary forces.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/23/2016 10:19:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		A difference with the Minors is that their upgrades are more expensive, so it isn't necessarily the best use of resources to raise them to the same level as German units.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/23/2016 7:17:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bill Runacre

A difference with the Minors is that their upgrades are more expensive, so it isn't necessarily the best use of resources to raise them to the same level as German units.



I saw a difference but assumed it was "army" vs "corps" costs but that is due to being a minor,

That leads to another question one I haven't seen explored in the videos which is the corps vs army difference. I don't notice the players being all that concerned. Is there a distinction in combat power between armies and corps?

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/23/2016 8:01:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Usually, again dependent upon the scenario designer(and owning country), Armies have one strength more of attack and defense, but one less action point than corps size units.

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RE: Taking Algiers - 10/23/2016 10:43:25 PM   
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Usually, again dependent upon the scenario designer(and owning country), Armies have one strength more of attack and defense, but one less action point than corps size units.


Thanks. I will have to watch more closely and pay attention to the sizes of units engaged.

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