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Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 3:27:36 PM

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General question. Negotiating a new stock Scenario1 PBEM. I'd like to up the Allied PPs per day to 60 from 50. I know how to do that in the editor.

My potential opponent has an already-prepared stock Turn 1 file for Japan that he wishes to use. It was saved with 50/day. Is that figure embedded in the save file already? Or can it be altered to 60 before the first turn's replay file is generated?

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 3:50:24 PM

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Moose, It has to be a part of the Japanese 1st turn save. Have your opponent change the PP's, then open his turn and save again, and resend to you. That should work....GP

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 8:03:38 PM

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Moose, It has to be a part of the Japanese 1st turn save. Have your opponent change the PP's, then open his turn and save again, and resend to you. That should work....GP

Ok, good to know. Thanks.

I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

So open editor, edit the stock Scenario 1, save it. Open the existing first turn, and immediately re-save it after closing it out?

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 8:15:22 PM

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Moose, It has to be a part of the Japanese 1st turn save. Have your opponent change the PP's, then open his turn and save again, and resend to you. That should work....GP

Ok, good to know. Thanks.

I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

So open editor, edit the stock Scenario 1, save it. Open the existing first turn, and immediately re-save it after closing it out.

Changing the PP allocation amounts to creating a new scenario. The Editor will not allow overwriting Scenario 1 through 25, so your partner must save the changed scenario in a new slot above 25. Note that many of these are already used by Big Babes and other scenarios but if you have no interest in them and will never download those scenarios, you can use them to save your version.

So, your partner has the new scenario number saved, but you must have the identical scenario saved in the same slot on your system, or the game turn will get an error when you try to run it. If your partner can send just the scenario file to you, all you would have to do is place it in the scenario folder. Otherwise, you have to edit and save your Scenario 1 the same as he did.

The turn rests on top of the scenario data so everything must be the same before the game turn is finalized.
I don't know if the "End Turn" button in PBEM locks the turn with no chance to re-open and change something. I think it should allow re-open because the real turn processing does not occur until both sides finish their moves and click "End Turn".

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 8:45:22 PM

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Moose, It has to be a part of the Japanese 1st turn save. Have your opponent change the PP's, then open his turn and save again, and resend to you. That should work....GP

Ok, good to know. Thanks.

I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

So open editor, edit the stock Scenario 1, save it. Open the existing first turn, and immediately re-save it after closing it out.

Changing the PP allocation amounts to creating a new scenario. The Editor will not allow overwriting Scenario 1 through 25, so your partner must save the changed scenario in a new slot above 25. Note that many of these are already used by Big Babes and other scenarios but if you have no interest in them and will never download those scenarios, you can use them to save your version.

So, your partner has the new scenario number saved, but you must have the identical scenario saved in the same slot on your system, or the game turn will get an error when you try to run it. If your partner can send just the scenario file to you, all you would have to do is place it in the scenario folder. Otherwise, you have to edit and save your Scenario 1 the same as he did.

The turn rests on top of the scenario data so everything must be the same before the game turn is finalized.
I don't know if the "End Turn" button in PBEM locks the turn with no chance to re-open and change something. I think it should allow re-open because the real turn processing does not occur until both sides finish their moves and click "End Turn".

Ah, good point on the numbering. Didn't think of that.

Changing the PPs is one entry in one box in the Scenario tab in the editor. A moose can handle that. I upped it to 75 in one of my AI games just to see.

I'm using a whole new install for each game, so I'll never run into DBB or other in this one.

I guess we can experiment with the closed turn thing. He has it saved, so it's not two weeks to re-do it if it doesn't work. If I can't get to 60 it's not fatal, but I'd like to try it.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/14/2017 10:39:54 PM

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Yeah, I forgot about the number thing myself. So save the scenario in an open slot, make the change and move the save to that game....GP

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 11:01:18 AM

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Hello, I am the guy who is trying to make the changes, and I have changed the slot in which is saved to 029.pws but the editor do not recognize it, I think it is because the editor do not work with .pws files.

I didnt click the red button so I could work on the save file but I cant change the number of PP sadly

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 12:16:44 PM

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You don't save from the game, but from the editor. It creates 8 or so files which comprise the game files.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 1:33:29 PM

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Hello, I am the guy who is trying to make the changes, and I have changed the slot in which is saved to 029.pws but the editor do not recognize it, I think it is because the editor do not work with .pws files.

I didnt click the red button so I could work on the save file but I cant change the number of PP sadly

First open the editor. Then select scenario 1 and save to any open slot after 25, with a name, such as Scenario 1 with more PP's. Then change the PP's and save again. Then open the new scenario and then the save. Hopefully it worked. Resave and send to the Moose....GP

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 3:09:00 PM

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So I made this,

EDITOR:
1)open scenario one and save it with a different name in slot 26 and rename it.
2) open slot 26 and change the PP per turn and save it

GAME

open my saved game on slot 14 and saved it

is every step correct?

Thanks you for your help

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 3:47:50 PM

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As long as you saved your game with the new scenario 26, Looks good....GP

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 4:10:38 PM

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Thanks you, when we start we would tell you the results

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 7:05:07 PM

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Thanks you, when we start we would tell you the results

You should have verified that the Moose has slot 26 open. He posted that he was experimenting on Slot 29, which might mean that he has DBB scenarios saved in 26-28.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 8:41:04 PM

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Thanks you, when we start we would tell you the results

You should have verified that the Moose has slot 26 open. He posted that he was experimenting on Slot 29, which might mean that he has DBB scenarios saved in 26-28.

I'm good. Did a pure re-install, shipped CD all the way forward with patches, art and sound changes, and then the newest beta. Then the editor. Slot 26 was clean as a whistle.

Now I have to figure out the new Tracker.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/15/2017 10:23:27 PM

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Moose, It has to be a part of the Japanese 1st turn save. Have your opponent change the PP's, then open his turn and save again, and resend to you. That should work....GP

Ok, good to know. Thanks.

I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

So open editor, edit the stock Scenario 1, save it. Open the existing first turn, and immediately re-save it after closing it out.

Changing the PP allocation amounts to creating a new scenario. The Editor will not allow overwriting Scenario 1 through 25, so your partner must save the changed scenario in a new slot above 25. Note that many of these are already used by Big Babes and other scenarios but if you have no interest in them and will never download those scenarios, you can use them to save your version.

So, your partner has the new scenario number saved, but you must have the identical scenario saved in the same slot on your system, or the game turn will get an error when you try to run it. If your partner can send just the scenario file to you, all you would have to do is place it in the scenario folder. Otherwise, you have to edit and save your Scenario 1 the same as he did.

The turn rests on top of the scenario data so everything must be the same before the game turn is finalized.
I don't know if the "End Turn" button in PBEM locks the turn with no chance to re-open and change something. I think it should allow re-open because the real turn processing does not occur until both sides finish their moves and click "End Turn".

Well said with proper precautions included.

We upped PPs in all our Mods to 60. It isn't much but helps. Looking back, I would raise it to 75 or so. We'll probably do that in the current version that is being worked on.

I am a computer idiot but learned how to master the Editor. Whomever, created it did a wonderful thing for modders. You can do ANYTHING--within reason--with the Editor. Always ASK here for help. It is a great community who will pitch in without fail.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 12:36:29 AM

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I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

I'm always bothered when somebody says something like "my philosophy for peeling onions is blah blah blah". Now I'm going to have to deal with "switchology"???

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 2:23:37 AM

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I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

I'm always bothered when somebody says something like "my philosophy for peeling onions is blah blah blah". Now I'm going to have to deal with "switchology"???

It's a common term for those who served in the US military. Veterans know it.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 7:00:12 AM

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I don't know the switchology of a Japan first turn. I assume he has to have a save that has not been closed-out with the End Turn red button?

I'm always bothered when somebody says something like "my philosophy for peeling onions is blah blah blah". Now I'm going to have to deal with "switchology"???

It's a common term for those who served in the US military. Veterans know it.

Does that come from the necessity to work the switches in the right order to flush the toilet on your nuke sub, Bullwinkle? Doing it right being "switchology" while doing wrong is "messy".

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 11:07:16 AM

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Does that come from the necessity to work the switches in the right order to flush the toilet on your nuke sub, Bullwinkle? Doing it right being "switchology" while doing wrong is "messy".

I think it started with airedales. Modern submarine heads are very easy to flush, and no switches. Just a lever and a valve wheel. That assumes one has looked for the "Blowing Sanitaries" sign on the door previously, however. Fail "signology" and one will find one doing several hours of cleaning of oneself as well as the compartment. A sound like a freight train, and, if one is really talented, used TP hanging from BOTH ears. Yep, saw it.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 7:37:35 PM

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We are still having a great deal of trouble making this scheme work.

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First open the editor. Then select scenario 1 and save to any open slot after 25, with a name, such as Scenario 1 with more PP's. Then change the PP's and save again. Then open the new scenario and then the save. Hopefully it worked. Resave and send to the Moose....GP

The editor work is fine. Where I get confused is the save scheme after.

So the edited scenario is Scenario 026. Japan opens that. Does Japan then SAVE it in a save slot, close the game, then move the saved, old orders .pws to the Save folder and rename it ? Or what? How do you get the orders file open in the new edited scenario environment? After it is open (and verdugo94 has confirmed he did not close out the orders with the red button), it's easy to go from there. But I don't quite get how you meld the scenario to the old, saved orders.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 9:16:00 PM

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We tried the name the old orders file switcheroo, and got the edited scenario to show on my side in the Preferences tab. No DB error messages, so fingers crossed.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/16/2017 10:33:53 PM

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We are still having a great deal of trouble making this scheme work.

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First open the editor. Then select scenario 1 and save to any open slot after 25, with a name, such as Scenario 1 with more PP's. Then change the PP's and save again. Then open the new scenario and then the save. Hopefully it worked. Resave and send to the Moose....GP

The editor work is fine. Where I get confused is the save scheme after.

So the edited scenario is Scenario 026. Japan opens that. Does Japan then SAVE it in a save slot, close the game, then move the saved, old orders .pws to the Save folder and rename it ? Or what? How do you get the orders file open in the new edited scenario environment? After it is open (and verdugo94 has confirmed he did not close out the orders with the red button), it's easy to go from there. But I don't quite get how you meld the scenario to the old, saved orders.

The slots for game saves are different from the scenario slots. So just get your scenario set up in the same slot and then play the game normally.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/17/2017 12:15:32 AM

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Nah, didn't work.

We're just going with 50 PP and dumping the border HR.

Thanks for everyone's help.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/17/2017 11:16:28 AM

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There are only a few things the editor will allow to change in a game in progress - in most cases a restart is required. For the things allowed to change in a game in progress, you need to apply the database update in-game (link in the options when editing during a turn in progress or "yes" to the prompt when loading a saved game). However, I doubt that changing the scenario slot is possible for a game in progress. I also doubt that changing the amount of daily PPs in a game in progress is allowed. I have successfully changed the ship type of ship classes (e.g. from DD to APD) in a game in progress, and I believe it is possible to update certain values for devices and aircraft, but that's about it. This is to prevent cheating in PBEM games.

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RE: Where is PP budget saved? - 1/17/2017 12:50:36 PM

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There are only a few things the editor will allow to change in a game in progress - in most cases a restart is required. For the things allowed to change in a game in progress, you need to apply the database update in-game (link in the options when editing during a turn in progress or "yes" to the prompt when loading a saved game). However, I doubt that changing the scenario slot is possible for a game in progress. I also doubt that changing the amount of daily PPs in a game in progress is allowed. I have successfully changed the ship type of ship classes (e.g. from DD to APD) in a game in progress, and I believe it is possible to update certain values for devices and aircraft, but that's about it. This is to prevent cheating in PBEM games.

We thought we could do it since the orders were "open" (not red-buttoned) and for Dec. 7th. No Allied inputs yet at all, and no replay file generated. Couldn't make it work.

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