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Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/26/2018 8:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Under Patrol Settings, I've always rested about 20% of my air groups that fly an aircraft model with a high SR of 3 or 4 (especially when flying from bases where I don't have a HQa), thinking that it helps keep my aircraft out of the repair hanger. Is this legit or do I have my head up my tailpipe?



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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/26/2018 8:58:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It helps with having more aircraft repaired, but at the same time less aircraft is flying.
So for sustainable flying (Patrols) you need to find some sweet spot with the % of resting pilots (and thus grounded aircraft). There is no set percentage here because aircraft fatigue accumulation depends on many things - the fact of flying itself, distance, size of airfield, enemy damage. Having a full allotment of spare airframes in reserve is also very important.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/26/2018 9:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		By default, any planes not assigned to a mission are resting. So if you have a Patrol unit assigned to 50% search, then only 50% of the planes are flying in a given phase and 50% are resting. This setting would be identical to setting 50% to Search/50% to Rest.

The only exception to this is for CAP - and only if there is combat of a sufficient intensity to trigger scrambling of planes. Pay attention in the combat report: if it says (assume a 24-plane unit with 50% CAP and 0% Rest) "3 planes airborne, 9 planes on standby, 0 scrambling" then only the percentage you have set will be flying in that phase. If it says "3 planes airborne, 9 planes on standby, 12 scrambling" then it means all of the planes were triggered and none rested. I'm not sure if the scrambling can actually override Rest or not.

There isn't much point to setting any Rest in most cases. There are a few; one common situation for me would be "milk runs" for bombers - to avoid undue operation losses, I will set somewhere between 10% and 30% Rest depending on circumstances.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/26/2018 10:03:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I try not to fly greater than the normal radius (and for Patrol AC I rarely go out out past 15 hexes).

For fighters and CAP, I normally do 10% rest for air frames the have the high service rating, with a max range of 2. My WAG is that since they are just flying around the base for a few hours before swapping out, there's not too much wear and tare. I normally max my pilots out so there shouldn't be a big hit to morale and fatigue, but If I see fatigue creeping up I'll stand the unit down for a turn or three.

It sounds like I do much the same as you for the milk runs, trying to get that balance between getting my pilots trained via the milk run and not loosing too many AC. But for this type of training I try to pick a base close to the milk run that is well within the "normal" radius and I use bombers with a low SR.

And I try not to over-stack or exceed my aviation support (the latter of which is sometimes hard to do...).

I'm just wondering if it's better to stop resting a percentage of my aircraft within an air group and instead just stand the unit down when my hanger is up around 10-20 percent of the entire air group. It just seems like once I have 3-5 AC in the hanger I start seeing an increase in write-offs from the Operations Report...

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/27/2018 1:45:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		What you should actually use as a barometer for when you need to stand the unit down is the "Planes" screen within the unit. Click on "Planes" in the lower left.

If you see really high aircraft fatigue numbers across the board, then you need to stand the unit down. I play this by ear. If I notice a unit that's going to probably see action in the coming day has aircraft fatigue numbers in the 50s, I start to think twice.

I've seen aircraft fatigue numbers in the multiple-100's before.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/27/2018 3:16:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.


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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/27/2018 10:22:42 AM   
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Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



Rest will prevent fighters on CAP from flying escort most of the time. Sometimes the tactical AI overrides the order, but there is nothing anyone can do about that.


The issue with CAP is that it is a sub order of Escort and not a primary order. So to get fighters to fly CAP you have to set them first to Escort and then set a CAP percentage.

If you don't set CAP at 100%, whatever percentage isn't set to CAP will fly Escort, unless you set that remaining percentage to Rest.


This is a good way to prevent your P38s from flying Escort.


This is primarily what I use the Rest command for.


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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/29/2018 9:14:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep in mind that all CAP is 100%. What I mean by that is that the settings you put in are just for the days' 'normal routine'. Once a base is attacked all fighters at that base become CAP and will attempt to intercept the raid. Not that they all will, but they will try. And yes I've seen many times where my 'CAP' far exceeds my settings for the day. Now setting a unit to rest or stand down may alter this, I don't really know because I don't have front line units in these states. If they need to rest or stand down they're rotated out instead.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/30/2018 7:59:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



I'm one of the few who apparently finds "rest" very useful.

It's something you have to feel out for yourself if you aren't going to do extensive testing. I've tested some settings I use regularly and rest is important. It helps avert the AI from doing things I don't want the planes to do in a number of situations, and at high usage settings ensures those planes I want tot repair or keep on the ground, stay there. Very useful for limiting pilot fatigue as well.

I use it with LR CAP, CAP, naval strikes, naval search, ASW, transport and even sweeps or land/airfield/port strikes in certain circumstances.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/30/2018 1:26:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



I'm one of the few who apparently finds "rest" very useful.

It's something you have to feel out for yourself if you aren't going to do extensive testing. I've tested some settings I use regularly and rest is important. It helps avert the AI from doing things I don't want the planes to do in a number of situations, and at high usage settings ensures those planes I want tot repair or keep on the ground, stay there. Very useful for limiting pilot fatigue as well.

I use it with LR CAP, CAP, naval strikes, naval search, ASW, transport and even sweeps or land/airfield/port strikes in certain circumstances.


I am with you too! I find rest very useful. I also like using multiple settings.



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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 5/30/2018 1:48:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



I'm one of the few who apparently finds "rest" very useful.

It's something you have to feel out for yourself if you aren't going to do extensive testing. I've tested some settings I use regularly and rest is important. It helps avert the AI from doing things I don't want the planes to do in a number of situations, and at high usage settings ensures those planes I want tot repair or keep on the ground, stay there. Very useful for limiting pilot fatigue as well.

I use it with LR CAP, CAP, naval strikes, naval search, ASW, transport and even sweeps or land/airfield/port strikes in certain circumstances.


I am with you too! I find rest very useful. I also like using multiple settings.





Count me in. I find rest slows down the negative effects of operations....GP

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 6/2/2018 7:29:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

Under Patrol Settings, I've always rested about 20% of my air groups that fly an aircraft model with a high SR of 3 or 4 (especially when flying from bases where I don't have a HQa), thinking that it helps keep my aircraft out of the repair hanger. Is this legit or do I have my head up my tailpipe?




I would up the precentage to 50% for SR 3 or 4, but it may not be enough.

Remember, there are two things at play here - aircraft durability and SR. Low durab/SR 1 aircarft can be repaired overnight, without you noticing it was stood down for maintenance. You can fly the likes of Wirraway non-stop at full strength 'cause their durability is under 30, and SR is 1.

I never use aircraft with SR 3 or more for continous operations. See how Buffaloes got wrecked on prolonged CAP missions just from flying.

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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 6/2/2018 2:21:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: btd64


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



I'm one of the few who apparently finds "rest" very useful.

It's something you have to feel out for yourself if you aren't going to do extensive testing. I've tested some settings I use regularly and rest is important. It helps avert the AI from doing things I don't want the planes to do in a number of situations, and at high usage settings ensures those planes I want tot repair or keep on the ground, stay there. Very useful for limiting pilot fatigue as well.

I use it with LR CAP, CAP, naval strikes, naval search, ASW, transport and even sweeps or land/airfield/port strikes in certain circumstances.


I am with you too! I find rest very useful. I also like using multiple settings.





Count me in. I find rest slows down the negative effects of operations....GP


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RE: Does resting help AC with high Service Ratings? - 6/2/2018 9:42:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy


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ORIGINAL: btd64


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: crsutton

Never use rest. Never really seen the use of it. It is kind of redundant. As for patrols, I usuall set them at 40%, ten to twelve thousand feet altitude and never out of normal range. Seems to work fine. Some patrols like the sunderland and coronado will sometime get a lot of planes out of service due to their high service ratings. I just stand them down and rotate a fresh squadron in.



I'm one of the few who apparently finds "rest" very useful.

It's something you have to feel out for yourself if you aren't going to do extensive testing. I've tested some settings I use regularly and rest is important. It helps avert the AI from doing things I don't want the planes to do in a number of situations, and at high usage settings ensures those planes I want tot repair or keep on the ground, stay there. Very useful for limiting pilot fatigue as well.

I use it with LR CAP, CAP, naval strikes, naval search, ASW, transport and even sweeps or land/airfield/port strikes in certain circumstances.


I am with you too! I find rest very useful. I also like using multiple settings.





Count me in. I find rest slows down the negative effects of operations....GP


+1.

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