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IJN ASW - 1/25/2020 7:11:36 PM   
rockmedic109

 

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Status: offline 		Damn but they got good in 1944. I am playing Dababes. I've lost a total of 13 boats by Mar 1944 with 4 of them coming in less than the last three months. And even more subs are coming back damaged/crippled.

I cannot complain about the number of losses. U.S.N. lost 52 in the war and I am on track to loose less. But the sharp increase is a little unnerving.

While playing out a turn, I start cursing the senator or representative that told the press that the IJN was setting their DC depths too shallow.

I begin thinking about proper punishment for said individual. Ranging from options involving a firing squad, a rope or a large truck to stashing him on a sub and forcing him to make war patrols till the end of the war!

Further proof of how good this game is, not that we needed more proof.....
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RE: IJN ASW - 1/25/2020 7:25:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Congressman Andrew May is credited
with sinking ten U.S. submarines.

Congressman Credited with Sinking up to Ten Submarines

http://www.ww2pacific.com/congmay.html

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The democratic congressman who cost the lives of 800 Sailors, 38 G.I.'s,& 10 Submarines in WW2
Andrew Jackson May (1875-1959)

May was responsible for a major release of highly confidential military information during World War II known as the May Incident. U.S. submarines had been conducting a successful undersea war against Japanese shipping during World War II, frequently escaping their anti-submarine depth charge attacks. May revealed the deficiencies of Japanese depth-charge tactics in a press conference held in June 1943 on his return from a war zone junket.

At this press conference, he revealed the highly sensitive fact that American submarines had a high survival rate because Japanese depth charges were exploding at too shallow a depth. Various press associations sent this leaked news story over their wires and many newspapers published it, including one in Honolulu, Hawaii.

After the news became public, Japanese naval antisubmarine forces began adjusting their depth charges to explode at a greater depth. Vice Admiral Charles A. Lockwood, commander of the U.S. submarine fleet in the Pacific, estimated that May's security breach cost the United States Navy as many as ten submarines and 800 crewmen killed in action. He said, "I hear Congressman May said the Jap depth charges are not set deep enough. He would be pleased to know that the Japs set them deeper now."



He was also Partner with Murray Garsson in a Munitions business who faulty 4.2 inch heavy Mortar fuses killed 38 G.I.'s


SOURCES-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._May#The_May_Incident


Even after being responsible for 838 Dead Americans he was fully pardoned by Harry Truman because he still had power in the Democratic party

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,888304,00.html
http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,805201,00.html


https://www.discussionist.com/10151991125

< Message edited by RangerJoe -- 1/25/2020 7:26:37 PM >

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/25/2020 8:11:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rockmedic109

While playing out a turn, I start cursing the senator or representative that told the press that the IJN was setting their DC depths too shallow.

I begin thinking about proper punishment for said individual. Ranging from options involving a firing squad, a rope or a large truck to stashing him on a sub and forcing him to make war patrols till the end of the war!


I'd fire him out of the nearest torpedo tube, myself...

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/25/2020 8:41:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Robert McCormick, the owner of the Chicago Tribune, did a similar thing. He actually published an article that indicated that the US Navy had broke Japanese naval codes. No one ended up in jail over it, but the criminal investigation into the Tribune did generate even more unwanted publicity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_naval_codes#Chicago_Tribune_incident

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/26/2020 1:07:07 AM   
spence

 

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https://www.warhistoryonline.com/war-articles/ww2-era-documents-chicago-tribune-battle-midway-trial-may-released-soon.html

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/26/2020 10:56:18 AM   
LeeChard

 

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Status: offline 		Freedom of the press can sometimes mean freedom to be stupid.

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/27/2020 8:08:57 PM   
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RE: IJN ASW - 1/27/2020 10:38:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rustysi

Yeah, and as the saying goes. 'You can't fix stupid.'


Sure you can, I will see about getting my tom kitten fixed.

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/28/2020 2:22:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: rustysi

Yeah, and as the saying goes. 'You can't fix stupid.'


Sure you can, I will see about getting my tom kitten fixed.

You might be starting from the wrong end there.

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/28/2020 6:07:13 AM   
RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: Zorch


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: rustysi

Yeah, and as the saying goes. 'You can't fix stupid.'


Sure you can, I will see about getting my tom kitten fixed.

You might be starting from the wrong end there.


For some creatures, that end controls the other end . . .

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RE: IJN ASW - 1/28/2020 4:08:56 PM   
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It is seldom that liberty of any kind is lost all at once. Hume

In every party there is one member who by his all-too-devout pronouncement of the party principles provokes the others to apostasy. Nietzsche

Cave ab homine unius libri. Ltn Prvb

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