RockinHarry
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Voriax mentioned it earlier, when in doubt of some armor penetration (or non penetration) occurences, enable combat logging! Hit "ALT-L" to enable this at scenario start and a "combat.txt" file is written into your Steel Panthers:WaW root folder. Open this in any text editor and check out particular content. Usually it should answer all questions on what happened in the game concerning armor penetration, hit angles and such.
It´s a good idea to copy/paste some content for your posting and THEN ask or discuss about it.
Could look like this:
Example for AP round hitting a target:
T-34 m.43 firing at PzKpfw-IVh at a range of 300 yds, ~using 76.2mm F-34~Hit Chance 94 percent
AP shell hit
pen = 181, base = 90
PRM = 1.04, HorAspect = -4.00, VerAspect = -1.00, BPF = 1.39
Temp1 = 1.00, Temp2 = 1.00, Temp3 = 0.07, Temp4 = 0.99
GeoArm = 33.09, BalArm = 32.06
skirt val = 10
diam = 75.00
base_arm_div_diam = 0.44
good quality armor mod = 0.81
adjusted arm value = 33
~PzKpfw-IVh is hit, SIDE HULL hit by 76.2mm F-34, using AP ammo, ~Pen 93, Armor 33, PzKpfw-IVh DESTROYED
Example for HVAP/APCR shot:
T-34 m.43 firing at PzKpfw-IVh at a range of 350 yds, ~using 76.2mm F-34~Hit Chance 93 percent
HVAP shell hit
pen = 231, base = 115
PRM = 0.94, HorAspect = 76.00, VerAspect = 11.00
Temp1 = 0.24, Temp2 = 0.98, Temp3 = 1.33, Temp4 = 1.29, Temp5 = 2.36
GeoArm = 84.21, BalArm = 303.72
skirt val = 10
diam = 75.00
base_arm_div_diam = 0.27
good quality armor mod = 0.70
adjusted arm value = 175
~PzKpfw-IVh is hit, REAR HULL hit by 76.2mm F-34, using APCR ammo, ~Ricochet!, Armor 175, No Effect
HEAT round example:
T-34 m.43 firing at PzKpfw-IVh at a range of 400 yds, ~using 76.2mm F-34~Hit Chance 86 percent
skirt val = 10
diam = 75.00
base_arm_div_diam = 0.27
good quality armor mod = 0.70
adjusted arm value = 25
~PzKpfw-IVh is hit, REAR HULL hit by 76.2mm F-34, using HEAT ammo, ~Pen 124, Armor 25, PzKpfw-IVh DESTROYED
Also HE shots hitting armor show different info in the combat.txt file.
Note: The above examples are taken from a test scenario where a T-34 is given some "extra" APCR and HEAT rounds just for testing purposes! These are not "out of the box" ammo loads.
I hope some of the armor buffs (or preferably PaulV) steps in and explains some of the formula and variables used.
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Have I missed something about AT weapons? - 
the hit angle model gave really interesting results...say you hit that thin top but the impact angle is only a degree or so? It can happen. In such case the effective armour thickness would be metres. This looked so ugly that the code was changed to display smaller values, as the real value had no practical meaning. And try imagine how many newbies were asking "why the armour value was 1234mm while it has only 25mm of hull armour?" Well, that was a glancing hit and that's it. 
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RE: Have I missed something about AT weapons? - 
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