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CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 1:47:04 AM   
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A number of times, I will have a ship get badly wounded in combat, but not sink. I will send the ship back to a port. Several times (in fact, it seems most times), when the ship sinks many turns later, either at sea or even docked in port, the CO of the ship dies.

This doesn't make sense. If a ship is underway after combat for a few days and then sinks, the crew (including the CO) should have ample time to abandon ship, right? This would be especially true in port.

I just had a ship that I managed to get to port at Brisbane sink in port, and the CDR was killed. I can't understand what I should be doing different.

I suppose it is possible the CDR is killed during the combat and is reported dead when the ship sinks, but it seems to occur awfully frequently for this to be the case.

Thanks for the help.
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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 2:06:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		I brought this up a while ago and the best answer I got was that the Cmdr was killed while trying to save the ship in port. Brave but kind of stupid.

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 2:46:04 AM   
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I just had a ship that I managed to get to port at Brisbane sink in port, and the CDR was killed.



Going down with the ship while at port getting repairs? Now that's dedication.



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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 2:49:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Killed or wounded in the attack.  If Japanese, he disembowels himself.  If American, he is canned by a courts-martial.  Crawls into the bottle and stays there. 

I imagine it's the easiest way to do it in the game system.  And with a little imagination, it's not hard to come up with a little extra flavor.  Read Mandrake's AAR to realize how far a little imagination will go.

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 3:20:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: toonces

Hey all,
A number of times, I will have a ship get badly wounded in combat, but not sink. I will send the ship back to a port. Several times (in fact, it seems most times), when the ship sinks many turns later, either at sea or even docked in port, the CO of the ship dies.

This doesn't make sense. If a ship is underway after combat for a few days and then sinks, the crew (including the CO) should have ample time to abandon ship, right? This would be especially true in port.

I just had a ship that I managed to get to port at Brisbane sink in port, and the CDR was killed. I can't understand what I should be doing different.

I suppose it is possible the CDR is killed during the combat and is reported dead when the ship sinks, but it seems to occur awfully frequently for this to be the case.

Thanks for the help.
toonces


I think the CO-death routine was adjusted downward about three patches ago. IIRC, it used to be 100% losses at sinking.

A ship limping back with fires and flooding could very well lose much of her crew if they lost the fight, especially in weather and especially the snipes. Even in port remember those are 60-mile hexes. And even "docked" doesn't mean pierside at every base. Anchoring out in a large lagoon isn't much different than being at sea if there is significant flooding; staging and coffer-damming are hard to handle away from a pier. I've cruised around in the large lagoon at Diego Garcia, and it would be quite possible to sink in a DC casualty before any shore assistnace could reach the vessel.


< Message edited by Snowman999 -- 6/8/2007 3:21:26 AM >

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 3:32:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe not killed but relieved of his duties.....heck of a way it is handled.
No good commander (busted to seaman 2nd class)

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/8/2007 11:42:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I can buy KIA= relieved of duty.  I just had it happen again, and it's frustrating, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it unless it's Halsey, Fletcher, etc...

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 1:39:09 AM   
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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 2:34:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Evil genuises execute commanders that lose their ships, that's just the way it is.





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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 2:36:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		On a serious note people sometimes forget that this game has several quirks around ship damage and such. Fires can last for days, whereas in RL, they rarely would last more than a few hours. Similarly it sometimes takes days for a ship to sink that otherwise might sink in just a few minutes or hours. Given that it makes sense that the commander might be at risk if the ship goes down later.



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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 4:04:04 AM   
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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 5:07:07 AM   
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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 4:21:02 PM   
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Careful there, Rupd.  You're beginning to sound like me. 


You will notice that I only point out the flaws and then get others to do my ranting for me.

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 5:09:07 PM   
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Killed or wounded in the attack. If Japanese, he disembowels himself. If American, he is canned by a courts-martial. Crawls into the bottle and stays there.

I imagine it's the easiest way to do it in the game system. And with a little imagination, it's not hard to come up with a little extra flavor. Read Mandrake's AAR to realize how far a little imagination will go.

My emboldening.......

Roger

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 5:12:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dtravel

Careful there, Rupd.  You're beginning to sound like me. 


You know I haven't been around here for very long but the first thing that came to mind when I read
quote:

Strange that ships can burn for days but cities can't.

was that sounds like something dtravel would say.

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RE: CDR killed when ship sinks question - 6/9/2007 8:54:06 PM   
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