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Searching for a game like... - 7/16/2008 1:42:21 AM

Sarganto

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I've been playing Paradox-Games like Hearts of Iron 2, Victoria and Europa Universalis for some years and I've found out about the Matrix Games like half a year ago, mainly War in the Pacific.

I love the concepts of WitP and Hearts of Iron 2, but both are lacking in one or another point. Hearts of Iron 2 has production, diplomacy, resources you go after, instead of victory points and so on. WitP has all the detail, you can micromanage everything, but then, your game is in a way or another always the same. You have that fix scenario and your reinforcements are always the same. It's not, like you can build up something. (let's not fight about jap.production).

So what I am searching is a mix of Hearts of Iron 2 and WitP. Where you can build up something and then fight wars, but at least with nearly the details as in WitP. Or you can build up your armies and then fight the single battle like in Panzer General (or Steel Panthers I guess would be a similar Matrix Game).

Maybe you have any ideas? I already tried stuff like Supreme Ruler 2020 and Superpower 2, but these games are REALLY far from perfect, with bugs, missing features and so on.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/16/2008 6:12:03 PM

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No ideas? :(

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/16/2008 7:08:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sarganto
No ideas? :(

What you ask for is a micromanagement empire-building game - apart from War in the Pacific and the stuff put out by Paradox AFAIK there's nothing coming even close to your "perfect game".

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/16/2008 10:53:45 PM

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A auto Racing Game based on the AH "Le Mans" board game.

A Railroad game based on AH "Dispatcher" board game.

both of the above have a very good I-go-U-go possibility.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/17/2008 12:30:07 AM

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Check out Crown of Glory or Forge of Freedom.
They are great change of pace games when you get tired of WWII.
They have elements of empire building and plenty of micro-management.
Plus!, everyone's favorite Mod Gil is there too.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/17/2008 2:46:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sarganto

I've been playing Paradox-Games like Hearts of Iron 2, Victoria and Europa Universalis for some years and I've found out about the Matrix Games like half a year ago, mainly War in the Pacific.

I love the concepts of WitP and Hearts of Iron 2, but both are lacking in one or another point. Hearts of Iron 2 has production, diplomacy, resources you go after, instead of victory points and so on. WitP has all the detail, you can micromanage everything, but then, your game is in a way or another always the same. You have that fix scenario and your reinforcements are always the same. It's not, like you can build up something. (let's not fight about jap.production).

So what I am searching is a mix of Hearts of Iron 2 and WitP. Where you can build up something and then fight wars, but at least with nearly the details as in WitP. Or you can build up your armies and then fight the single battle like in Panzer General (or Steel Panthers I guess would be a similar Matrix Game).

Maybe you have any ideas? I already tried stuff like Supreme Ruler 2020 and Superpower 2, but these games are REALLY far from perfect, with bugs, missing features and so on.

I might be missing something here but it sounds like you just perfectly described one of my all time favorite Matrix Games... Advanced Tactics!

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/17/2008 6:54:33 PM

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ORIGINAL: Veldor

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sarganto

I've been playing Paradox-Games like Hearts of Iron 2, Victoria and Europa Universalis for some years and I've found out about the Matrix Games like half a year ago, mainly War in the Pacific.

I love the concepts of WitP and Hearts of Iron 2, but both are lacking in one or another point. Hearts of Iron 2 has production, diplomacy, resources you go after, instead of victory points and so on. WitP has all the detail, you can micromanage everything, but then, your game is in a way or another always the same. You have that fix scenario and your reinforcements are always the same. It's not, like you can build up something. (let's not fight about jap.production).

So what I am searching is a mix of Hearts of Iron 2 and WitP. Where you can build up something and then fight wars, but at least with nearly the details as in WitP. Or you can build up your armies and then fight the single battle like in Panzer General (or Steel Panthers I guess would be a similar Matrix Game).

Maybe you have any ideas? I already tried stuff like Supreme Ruler 2020 and Superpower 2, but these games are REALLY far from perfect, with bugs, missing features and so on.

I might be missing something here but it sounds like you just perfectly described one of my all time favorite Matrix Games... Advanced Tactics!

Description seems to fit also for Civilization serie and the likes (Colonization, Freeciv, etc.). If you don't have allergy for sci-fi, then check out Galactic Civilizations, UFO and X-COM series.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 12:07:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

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ORIGINAL: Veldor

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ORIGINAL: Sarganto

I've been playing Paradox-Games like Hearts of Iron 2, Victoria and Europa Universalis for some years and I've found out about the Matrix Games like half a year ago, mainly War in the Pacific.

I love the concepts of WitP and Hearts of Iron 2, but both are lacking in one or another point. Hearts of Iron 2 has production, diplomacy, resources you go after, instead of victory points and so on. WitP has all the detail, you can micromanage everything, but then, your game is in a way or another always the same. You have that fix scenario and your reinforcements are always the same. It's not, like you can build up something. (let's not fight about jap.production).

So what I am searching is a mix of Hearts of Iron 2 and WitP. Where you can build up something and then fight wars, but at least with nearly the details as in WitP. Or you can build up your armies and then fight the single battle like in Panzer General (or Steel Panthers I guess would be a similar Matrix Game).

Maybe you have any ideas? I already tried stuff like Supreme Ruler 2020 and Superpower 2, but these games are REALLY far from perfect, with bugs, missing features and so on.

I might be missing something here but it sounds like you just perfectly described one of my all time favorite Matrix Games... Advanced Tactics!

Description seems to fit also for Civilization serie and the likes (Colonization, Freeciv, etc.). If you don't have allergy for sci-fi, then check out Galactic Civilizations, UFO and X-COM series.

I've already spent too much time playing Civ 2, like one year plain playtime >_< (I guess, might be rexaggerated ;) )
Is Galactic Civilizations like MoO2 or comparable to something else?

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 1:50:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sarganto

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ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

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ORIGINAL: Veldor

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ORIGINAL: Sarganto

I've been playing Paradox-Games like Hearts of Iron 2, Victoria and Europa Universalis for some years and I've found out about the Matrix Games like half a year ago, mainly War in the Pacific.

I love the concepts of WitP and Hearts of Iron 2, but both are lacking in one or another point. Hearts of Iron 2 has production, diplomacy, resources you go after, instead of victory points and so on. WitP has all the detail, you can micromanage everything, but then, your game is in a way or another always the same. You have that fix scenario and your reinforcements are always the same. It's not, like you can build up something. (let's not fight about jap.production).

So what I am searching is a mix of Hearts of Iron 2 and WitP. Where you can build up something and then fight wars, but at least with nearly the details as in WitP. Or you can build up your armies and then fight the single battle like in Panzer General (or Steel Panthers I guess would be a similar Matrix Game).

Maybe you have any ideas? I already tried stuff like Supreme Ruler 2020 and Superpower 2, but these games are REALLY far from perfect, with bugs, missing features and so on.

I might be missing something here but it sounds like you just perfectly described one of my all time favorite Matrix Games... Advanced Tactics!

Description seems to fit also for Civilization serie and the likes (Colonization, Freeciv, etc.). If you don't have allergy for sci-fi, then check out Galactic Civilizations, UFO and X-COM series.

I've already spent too much time playing Civ 2, like one year plain playtime >_< (I guess, might be rexaggerated ;) )
Is Galactic Civilizations like MoO2 or comparable to something else?

Galactic Civs is alot like Civ games, just in space.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 2:41:22 AM

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Ok, I'll take a look at Gal Civ. Is there a huge difference between 1 and 2? Which one is better? As far as I know, the new one is not always the best (for example Civ 2 beats everything, and MoO2 beats MoO3...).

I've also sneaked into the Advanced Tactics forums and read some AARs. Looks nice, but I don't know...it looks rather "simple" to me. Not only the graphics (as if I give a damn), but also the war system. Don't know if I would like that. Is there any way, to try that game first? Like a demo or trialversion?

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 2:46:15 AM

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Gal civ 2 is the shiat.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 2:59:26 AM

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I've also sneaked into the Advanced Tactics forums and read some AARs. Looks nice, but I don't know...it looks rather "simple" to me. Not only the graphics (as if I give a damn), but also the war system. Don't know if I would like that. Is there any way, to try that game first? Like a demo or trialversion?

Advanced Tactics is well worth your time. It's a surprisingly elegant simulation of warfare, though you might not expect it at first blush.

As far as space sims, Gal Civ is great, but also give Sword of the Stars a try.

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RE: Searching for a game like... - 7/18/2008 4:17:44 AM

Veldor

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Ok, I'll take a look at Gal Civ. Is there a huge difference between 1 and 2? Which one is better? As far as I know, the new one is not always the best (for example Civ 2 beats everything, and MoO2 beats MoO3...).

I've also sneaked into the Advanced Tactics forums and read some AARs. Looks nice, but I don't know...it looks rather "simple" to me. Not only the graphics (as if I give a damn), but also the war system. Don't know if I would like that. Is there any way, to try that game first? Like a demo or trialversion?

With many games people love them or hate them but I dare say no one hates Advanced Tactics

. You may love it or you may just think its good but it is plenty deeper than it would appear. Hoards of units and enough micromanagement to please any hardcore Civ fan and then some. Its definitely a wargame with supply and logistics and such. So much more hardcore than many other titles even if still very light compared to WiTP.

I think the main criticism is really around historical accuracies. Since the game is so streamlined, replayable, etc. some things were a bit too randomized and ahistorical for a few (like unit and city names etc). Personally Im all about gameplay and in recent history I've found no wargame more playable or replayable than Advanced Tactics.

I am also a big fan of GalCiv2. You definitely want the second one and it has quite a few sequels I've yet to buy. I've meant to pick them up and also to replay GalCiv2 some but I tend to abadon games in favor of new ones since my interests are so varied.

Advanced Tactics wins for me over GalCiv2 just barely because its one of a very very few titles I have and would continue to go back to and play again. I find both the solo and non-solo play both satisfying.

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