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Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/16/2009 9:38:04 AM   
Desultory

 

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Status: offline 		Hello everyone, longtime CC series player, first time poster here. I have a simple question:

What the heck happened to my reinforce button?

I recently started a new campaign - having played several previous campaigns for both sides where I was able to use the reinforce button without difficulty. But in this new campaign (German grand campaign, 'elite' force strength for me and 'recruit' for the allies, 15 minute games, battles ending based on morale or victory location control) I have never, ever seen a reinforce button come up. Is there some restriction I'm missing? I know I can only use it once per BG (I haven't been able to use it at all for any BG yet), I know I need road access to a major supply depot, including control of the proper victory location on the present map. It may be worth noting that I didn't even look for the button in the early campaign, it wasn't until 5 or 6 days in that some BGs ran low on panzers and I was unpleasantly suprised to find the button wasn't there, and hasn't been for any BG that has encountered battle since I started looking for it over the past several turns. It also may be worth noting that if I hit "edit opponent", they often have a reinforce button, just not me.. so what am I missing here?
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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/16/2009 9:46:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are a few German BG's that can reinforce as they had few reserves.

There are many more Allied BG's that can reinforce as reserves arrived throughout the campaign.


In CCIV no German BG's could reinforce at all.... we have improved this feature somewhat.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/16/2009 12:29:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can number of reinforcements for each group be modded?

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/16/2009 8:23:06 PM   
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Column H of the Bgroups TAB in the workbook determines how many times each Bgroup can reinforce.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/16/2009 8:42:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Cool. I think I'll play with my idea of company-sized battlegroups when the patch will come out.


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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/17/2009 7:56:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		That's very odd - in my last campaign I recall reinforcing armor BGs to replace lost panthers. I suppose I must have ended up with different armor BGs taking the heaviest losses this campaign, is there any sort of guide to which ones have a reinforce available?

Edit: and not to sound critical, I do appreciate this feature being added at all, it's an improvement from CCIV classic to be sure. Just confused about the.. inconsistency of German ability to reinforce.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 1/17/2009 10:55:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect that inconsistence would be more realistic - as long as it's intentional and customisable - after all, reinforcements would probably have worse quality than the original unit.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/1/2009 1:38:09 PM   
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quote:

I know I need road access to a major supply depot, including control of the proper victory location on the present map.


Now what does that mean?
Proper Victory Location on the present map?
And whats considered a proper VL?

I only ask as I cant seem to use the reinforce button for this BG at Dasburg even though I have a clear line to a friendly supply depot..
(And I didnt see anything in the manual about Proper Victory Location on the present map)
Edit:
The button is there it just says that my BG is cut from supply.





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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/1/2009 6:37:22 PM   
Tejszd

 

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Status: offline 		Can you post your saved game Platoon_Michael it might help for checking/testing..

Contested maps are not considered a clear a supply line when tracing a supply line. Though if your BG is on a supply depot it is considered to be in supply. It looks like the code for checking if the reinforcement button can be enabled may not be checking to see if your BG is on the same map as the supply depot....

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/1/2009 10:00:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes please attach your saved game plt_michael.

The 504/82Ab can reinforce once in the campaign.... have you really gotten to the eighth day without reinforcing?


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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/1/2009 10:48:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		BattleGroup Reinforce # Commander
KG Peiper 0 SS-Standf. Peiper
KG Knittel 0 SS-Stbf. Knittel
KG Hansen 0 SS-OStbf. Hansen
Fuhrer Begleit Brigade 0 Oberst Remer
295 / 18th VG 0 Hoffmann-Schönborn
KG von Fallois 0 Major von Fallois
KG 901 1 Oberst von Hauser
KG 902 1 Oberst von Poschinger
KG von Böhm 1 Hptm. von Böhm
KG Cochenhausen 0 Major Cochenhausen
KG Bayer 0 Oberst Bayer
KG Krause 0 SS-OStbf. Krause
KG Kuhlman 0 SS-Stbf. Kuhlman
KG Bremer 0 SS-Stbf. Bremer
KG Krag 0 SS-Stbf. Krag
KG Telkamp 0 SS-Stbf. Telkamp
115 / 15th PzG 0 Oberst Maucke
104 / 15th PzG 1 Oberstlt. Nolte
77 / 26th VG 1 Hptm. Raab
78 / 26th VG 1 Oberst Fromberger
14 / 5th FJ 1 Oberst Schimmel
15 / 5th FJ 0 Oberstlt. Gröschke
8 / 3rd FJ 0 Oberstlt. Liebach
9 / 3rd FJ 0 Oberst von Hofmann
48 / 12th VG 0 Oberstlt. Osterhold
89 / 12th VG 0 Oberstlt. Lemcke
190 / 62nd VG 0 Oberst Kittel
504 / 82nd AB 1 Colonel Tucker
505 / 82nd AB 1 Colonel Ekman
501 / 101st AB 1 Colonel Ewell
502 / 101st AB 1 Lt Colonel Chappuis
506 / 101st AB 1 Colonel Sink
327 / 101st AB 1 Colonel Harper
14th Armored Cavalry Group 1 Colonel Devine
109 / 28th ID 1 Lt. Colonel Rudder
110 / 28th ID 1 Colonel Fuller
112 / 28th ID 1 Colonel Nelson
334 / 84th ID 1 Colonel Roosma
117 / 30th ID * 1 Colonel Johnson
CCA 2nd Armored 0 Brig General Collier
104 / 26th ID * 1 Colonel Palladino
318 / 80th ID * 1 Colonel McVickar
CCA / 4th Armored 1 Brig General Earnest
CCR / 4th Armored 1 Colonel Blanchard
291st Eng. Cbt. Bn. 1 Lt Colonel Pergrin
424/106th ID 1 Colonel Scott
394 / 99th ID 0 Colonel Riley
422 / 106th ID 0 Colonel Descheneaux
423 / 106th ID 0 Colonel Cavender
CCB / 7th Armored 0 Brig General Clarke
CCR / 9th Armored 0 Colonel Gilbreth
38 / 2nd ID 1 Colonel Boos
CCB / 9th Armored * 0 Colonel Roberts
26 / 1st ID 1 Colonel Seitz


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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 4:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just noticed I didnt tell ayou im playing as the Allies.
And the forums wont let me upload a zip file.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 4:37:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		You can post a zip when you click on the orange "Post eply" button.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 4:42:12 AM   
Platoon_Michael


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Status: offline 		Yes I used that and not the fast reply option.
I went ahead and played the Battle.
I also seen it once before for a German BG,same type situation.(When entering a map)
Still an error when uploading.
I can e-mail or send it through MSN if you want?

(Max. 500KB;
gif/txt/jpg are supported )

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 5:16:19 AM   
Tejszd

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Platoon_Michael

I just noticed I didnt tell ayou im playing as the Allies.
And the forums wont let me upload a zip file.


Just realized that. No your BG in Dasburg can not trace a supply line through uncontested maps thus it is cut off and should not be able to reinforce.

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 5:33:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		In all honestly it wasnt cut off,I was able to use the reinforce button on the 2nd turn.
Same with the German BG I seen it happen to.Yes both BG's had just entered the map but they both had a direct line to maps with supply as there are no German BG's on either Heinerscheid or Troivierges thus allowing what should be an open path.

correct?

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 6:06:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		if you have a save game from when the problem appears you can email it to me.

andreww@strategy3tactics.com

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RE: Reinforce button: MIA? - 5/2/2009 6:14:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just checked and Dasburg does connect to Heinerscheid (the map with the 505 / 82 AB on it) so you are correct there is/was an open supply line for the US BG in Dasburg. Wonder if it is something to do with moving the same turn???

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