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Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 8:20:00 PM   
MajFrankBurns

 

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Status: offline 		I'm looking for the smallest least expensive netbook or laptop that will play most Matrixgames, HPS and/or Shrapnel games? Ideas and links would be appreciated. I have this job now of watching the clouds roll by and I'd like something to do in place of that from time to time.
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 8:40:21 PM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 8:41:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try..for new...http://www.laptopsdirect.co.uk/?refsource=ldadwords&gclid=CLD83rXWsaECFVgA4wodngPE_g

Or surplus stock etc...http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/default.asp


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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 8:52:42 PM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 9:00:51 PM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 9:18:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok I want to be able to run Panzer Command:Kharkov, Forge of Freedom, Crown of Glory EE, the new Pacific Storm or Storm over the Pacific, Advanced Tactics and HPS Squad Battles and Ancients games and Dominions III. What should I get that's cheap and small? I might be interested in Time of Wrath later on and Heroes of Stalingrad and World In Flames? Oh and if possible Making History II and EU:Rome Vae Victus and Crusader Kings Dues Vult? I think that is all.

I don't know what the minimum cpu I need or graphics card for a laptop for these so I kind of need numbers as well as models. Also I kind of need US pricing charts and websites since I live in the states. Thanks

This is a great job as there is hardly any traffic on Sundays and I have all this time to do nothing but look at the clouds and watch the cloud races. Kind of tired of playing Hearts and Majhong and solitare on the company computer as those are pretty boring.

I'd like something under $500 if that is possible. I don't need extreme graphics or a racehorse laptop just something that will play most of the games I listed if possible. I was hoping Erik might chime in and give me some idea of the perfect model at the low end price range?

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 9:26:38 PM   
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I'm looking for the smallest least expensive netbook or laptop that will play most Matrixgames, HPS and/or Shrapnel games?


Hmm, does it have to be a laptop/Netbook?
In case you have access to a monitor/TFT at work, you should get a mini-desktop:

http://search.laptopsdirect.co.uk/search?w=mini-desktop
http://www.walmart.com/ip/AR1600-910H/13866885
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Asus-160-GB-EBXB202-WHT-X0081/13031301

NOTE:
If you opt for a Netbook (this goes for mini-desktop PCs too), make sure they have an Intel Atom cpu and a Nvidia ION video chip!
Netbooks without Intel Atom (say early ASUS eeePC models) are really really slow. The first ASUS eeePC (as well as Netbooks from other companies) had such a slow CPU and video chip, that its performance was too low for enjoyable (war)gaming, imho.
The Atom chip coupled with an ION chipset makes quite a difference, as it turns a netbook almost into a competitive mini-laptop.

If you opt for a real laptop then you won't have to consider such details/limitations, but you won't get a proper laptop below $380.

The least expensive laptops may be the ones from eMachines, but with those rather inexpensive machines, the video chips are usually the limiting factor (Intel Graphics Media Accelerator, usually working in shared memory mode):

http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?search_query=PC+laptop&search_constraint=0&tc=0&ic=48_0&ref=+500000.500592&tab_value=All&clicked_tab_value=All&depts=E_A_Gi

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 10:26:50 PM   
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114789

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 10:45:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I like that one also cmurphy.

I also found this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834115728

It's coming down to the graphics card which I like the ATI name brand now. oh and I noticed a memory type difference 667 vs 800.

You think that one will do for all the matrixgames cmurphy? Is that a good best price?

Oh and thank you everyone else who gave input. This is my first laptop and all help is appreciated.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 11:13:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		If Panzer Command: Kharkov is on your list, make sure you don't skimp on the video card. A good dedicated video card (doesn't need to be the latest, but don't go for the cheap integrated video chips) will help a lot, as will a dual core processor.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/1/2010 11:32:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		So what is the minimum recommended intergrated video card Erik? Will that ATI 4100 work or do I need something faster?

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 1:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		They are about the same performance-wise. Both will technically run Panzer Command, but you'll be GPU-bound.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 2:31:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well what would you recommend Erik as a non intergrated video card? Something minimum range that will run Panzer Command at its best?

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 2:55:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		I prefer that ATI card like in the Toshiba.. most Intel 'cheaper' laptops have the intel graphics which ain't nothing great.. if an Intel laptop has an Nvida card in it, it's gonna cost a lot more...

This is the Toshiba I bought (which I love).. great price.. but more expensive than what you're looking to spend

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834114802

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 4:04:17 PM   
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Well what would you recommend Erik as a non intergrated video card? Something minimum range that will run Panzer Command at its best?


I haven't looked into laptop video cards in detail lately, so I'm not sure what the best bang for the buck is this year. My current laptop has an Intel Core Duo and a Geforce Go 8600 and it works quite well for Panzer Command, with all the settings on high. The ones you were looking at would still be able to run Panzer Command, but you'd probably want to keep the settings lower and your FPS would not be all that great. If I had to choose between the Intel and the ATI, I'd probably take the ATI, but overall I'd look for something equivalent to a desktop GeForce 7600 or higher.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 5:11:10 PM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 5:39:29 PM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 5:57:18 PM   
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Gee, I hope that did not sound too bitter. On the bright side, you may get a real cool box and logo. Just realize that you are paying twice as much for the actual product as you should-only for the logo. You sure as hell are not getting added quality.
Stay away from Alienware-get something of quality and value.


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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 6:27:24 PM   
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Well what would you recommend Erik as a non intergrated video card? Something minimum range that will run Panzer Command at its best?


I haven't looked into laptop video cards in detail lately, so I'm not sure what the best bang for the buck is this year. My current laptop has an Intel Core Duo and a Geforce Go 8600 and it works quite well for Panzer Command, with all the settings on high. The ones you were looking at would still be able to run Panzer Command, but you'd probably want to keep the settings lower and your FPS would not be all that great. If I had to choose between the Intel and the ATI, I'd probably take the ATI, but overall I'd look for something equivalent to a desktop GeForce 7600 or higher.

Regards,

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Erik, you have a link to your model? Looking for a good portable gaming machine for work which is going to include travel starting in the next few months.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/2/2010 6:54:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		It really depends on your price range. Newegg and Tigerdirect have decent laptops for less than $800 with a dedicated gpu, dual core processor and at least 4 Gb of ram. If you have a greater price range, they also have more upscale models. Additionally if you do some research at tomshardware dot com, you can look at gpu rating charts to find which desktop cards have mobility comparable card.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/3/2010 12:47:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks everyone I should be able to throw something together from all this feedback. Great people at this forum, very helpful.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/3/2010 2:53:34 AM   
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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/4/2010 1:04:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol everyone wants my job. I would be willing to trade it for a taste tester at a beer brewery though.

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RE: Help buying computer for work to play Matrixgames - 5/4/2010 1:25:01 AM   
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Lol everyone wants my job. I would be willing to trade it for a taste tester at a beer brewery though.


Being a taste tester may turn out to be an ascetic life. I saw a doc about a beer tester in a German brewery, he could not smoke and he did not get more than a few sips of beer, plus he had to watch his food, in order not to kill his sense of taste.

Btw, let me know what laptop (with what video card) you got (once you have it), plus how the performance of its card turns out. Get one that has a dedicated video card (with its own memory), avoid shared memory versions (even ATI has such cards). From what I read in forums, the ATI HD4200 and similar models are pretty disappointing performance-wise, you may have to play 3D games with lowest detail settings, and I'm not sure if - even on low details - the frame rates are enjoyable.
You should do some research on the net, for speed comparisons and regarding the ability of low budget laptops to display 3D games with acceptable frame rates.

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