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Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:45:58 AM   
Neilster


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Status: offline 		I've worked on fighters and this thing doesn't look right. The overall shape is reasonable for a low observables aircraft but it seems too small and lacks the details I would expect even of a prototype. The cockpit looks totally wrong and it doesn't seem to have enough mass. In short, it looks like a fairly shoddy mock-up and the supposed in-flight footage probably a RC model.

And the name even sounds like Queer, which this appears to be

Edit: I've just seen some more photos and added them to this post and...oh boy...this looks like the prop from a high school stage show.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:08:57 AM   
Neilster


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Status: offline 		Check out that clear-view canopy, that ultra smooth low-observables surface finish and the high-tech and super stealthy back of the cockpit instruments

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:37:35 AM   
Neilster


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Status: offline 		They probably should have picked a shorter "pilot" as this one doesn't appear to fit. Amazing attention to detail where the lavishly appointed cockpit meets the canopy (which seems not to have a seal). What's that hokey box plugged into the "jet"? The sheepish looks...I could go on...

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:41:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like a build it yourself airplane kit. Doesn't anyone shave over there?

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:50:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Go on to youtube and take a good look at all the people living in western countries applauding Iran.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 4:56:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		I totally agree. Fakey hokum all the way. Hey-that cockpit wire? THAT is the wire in 'fly by wire', idnit? Keep us posted, Neilster.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 5:00:28 AM   
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Yes. Please keep us posted.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 5:11:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Video from the Iranian news agency. Note after about 4:30 in the segment when they fly this thing off a runway. It looks about the size of a small dog compared to the runway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkHNLV7Peww

Also, note the undershots of the a/c. With the exception of the landing gear, totally smooth. Umm...doods? Shouldn't you have some weapons hardpoints under the wings or body for...umm...you know...missiles or something? Either that or (ala F-22) an internal weapons bay? But nope-a perfectly smooth underwing and underbody.

Faker'n fake.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:25:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I built a more authentic stealth aircraft in about 1989. The hypothetical Mig-37 Ferret E. At the time the F-19 Stealth Fighter model was all the rage but people in the know said that if you really wanted to know what the F-19 (or F-117 as it turned out) looked like, look at the Ferret E model.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:29:10 AM   
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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 6:39:32 AM   
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Doesn't anyone shave over there?



Didn't you know beards breaks down the face profile allowing the pilot to be more stealthy

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 7:18:50 AM   
Neilster


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It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 10:20:34 AM   
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It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?


He must be on his way as we speak.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 10:23:49 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Neilster


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It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

Cheers, Neilster


Of course it was since you built it.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 11:15:20 AM   
Neilster


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ORIGINAL: Orm


quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster


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It looks like Firefox...where's Clint Eastwood?

I think you'll find the Firefox prop was much better built

Cheers, Neilster


Of course it was since you built it.

Err...no...the one(s) in the 1982 movie... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0BmrPrEm7g

It's an adaptation of the Craig Thomas novel and the first half is a pretty good espionage thriller but the flying action lacks all credibility and the John Dykstra special effects that worked so well in Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back didn't with aircraft.

Whoever designed the movie Mig-31 Firefox obviously knew a bit about fighter design and low-observables but the massive intakes and turbo-ramjet powerplants are completely unstealthy. I guess they were included to explain the supposed hypersonic performance of the aircraft.

BTW, the Ferret E I built looked better than the one above. I was really into aircraft modelling in those days. That design was well researched in that rather than being a fighter, the Mig-37 was a hypothetical electronic warfare and stealthy ground attack aircraft with internal (stealth) weapons carriage. It was assumed the Soviets would need to use faceting as they didn't have the computer power to design a stealth aircraft with curved surfaces. The hypothetical F-19 was well researched as well and it was decided that an American design would use these. They didn't realise how long the F-117 had been flying for and as a result it turned out to use faceting.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:25:04 PM   
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They've just installed one of these childrens' rides in my local supermarket. Only 20p a go.


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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:36:29 PM   
Neilster


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Status: offline 		Why is the "pilot" wearing a helmet? Is he about to actually go flying? No. Pilots put their helmet on after they are strapped into the seat on real missions. And how bad is that canopy?

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 12:48:29 PM   
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They've just installed one of these childrens' rides in my local supermarket. Only 20p a go.



Probably goes higher, faster and further as well.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 1:01:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 1:51:22 PM   
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Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


Yeah, what's up with that? English is satans' language.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:29:29 PM   
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And how bad is that canopy?



Neilster, is the 'low visibility' with this design visibility out of the cockpit or visibility of the aircraft? It'd make sense with the former. Maybe Amadinthehead just got the mission profiles wrong.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:32:55 PM   
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Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


I don't have a good picture of it but the "instrument panel" is truly comical. No HUD but it does have flat screens that are apparently from about 2006. Experts have spotted a Garmin GPS, instruments from light aircraft and an airspeed indicator that maxes out at 250 knots Not very high performance then.

The markings are probably just copied from their pre-revolution US aircraft...or the internet

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:34:03 PM   
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Is that an analogue dial in the third picture? I love the retro feeling that they've given this aircraft. Not a MFD screen anywhere, make those pilots work out what's going on in their aircraft And think of the weight savings gained by making this out of plastic, and it's not as though Iran are short of oil to make plastics so that's a definite win. I'm not sure how they're planning to stop it though, there don't appear to be any hydraulic pipes down the undercarriage legs. Unless they use the canopy as a brake chute.

Would there me some sort of reason that all the markings etc are in English rather than Persian?


Dixie, I've got one word for you about the future: "Plastics". Of course that's where the future is on this, you infidel!

Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?



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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:39:44 PM   
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And how bad is that canopy?



Neilster, is the 'low visibility' with this design visibility out of the cockpit or visibility of the aircraft? It'd make sense with the former. Maybe Amadinthehead just got the mission profiles wrong.

I think he knows what he's doing

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:42:17 PM   
Neilster


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Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?


Found one. Not cheap at 60 quid but

http://www.comet-miniatures.co.uk/search.php?xsid=2315de860c0e6f90e1103e57def44c91&s_for=firefox

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:45:00 PM   
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Wow this is clearly an advanced system!!! It flys and plays in 3D

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:47:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Makes me wonder if they ALSO fabricated that USAF drone last year that they allegedly shot down completely intact.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:50:19 PM   
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Makes me wonder if they ALSO fabricated that USAF drone last year that they allegedly shot down completely intact.

There were suspicious elements to that. Bits of it were hidden from the media etc. Can't remember the details though.

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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:53:12 PM   
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Dixie, I've got one word for you about the future: "Plastics". Of course that's where the future is on this, you infidel!

Neilster, any idea where I can "will and acquire" () a model of the Firefox?





Hang on a moment old boy. One of 'my' aircraft is covered in fabric and has wooden framework and the others use some new fangled semi-monocoque construction.


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RE: Iranian "fighter" Qaher F313...looks fake - 2/3/2013 2:53:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, talk about obscuring the relationship between the government and media. Try this on for size-pronounce this guy's name. Just once. I dare you. Can't do it? A-ha! That's because you're an infidel!

“How can we trust President Obama for talks if he sends his drones into our airspace?” the former commission member, Heshmatollah Falahatpisheh, said in an interview. “This move is counterproductive for any détente.”

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