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OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 9:39:34 AM

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After 19hours of work, today the big Carnival cruise ship return to vertical
position, the next step is to make she refloat :

The used method and the status of the operations:
http://www.theparbucklingproject.com/

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 9:54:25 AM

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Time lapse video:

http://youtu.be/phVvxrYyK3k

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 11:57:14 AM

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That's a hell of a fender bender. Oh well, I'm sure it'll polish out.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 12:14:05 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 12:49:45 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 12:57:28 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

The paper said not until spring.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 1:09:57 PM

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A rather large and dangerous undertaking. A winter storm could complicate things as they await spring.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 1:17:21 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

The paper said not until spring.

Oh yeah it will take a long time. Got a lot of patching and caissons to attach.
It was more a no its never going to 'cruise' again answer to JS

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 1:34:32 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

Well the Dutch ship Willem Ruys was unlucky but did survive 2 bombings while being built and eventually put in service in 1947 and had a collision. After serving as a mail and passenger ship she got laid up because of lack of business. She was sold to an Italian company and renamed to the MS Achille Lauro. Her luck clearly did not change. sensing nobody would want to book passage on the MS Achille Lauro her name was changed to MS StarLauro. She sailed to South Africa, got to Somalia, caught fire and sunk 3 days later. Clearly, she was no USS Boise

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 3:46:49 PM

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I guess tourists were less picky these days

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 3:51:24 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

The paper said not until spring.

Oh yeah it will take a long time. Got a lot of patching and caissons to attach.
It was more a no its never going to 'cruise' again answer to JS

Paper said she is going to be taken to a port whose name I did not recognize for the winter. Lots of patching I'm sure. I don't know what breakers they'll use. A lot of commercial breaking is done in very unfortunate conditions in India/Pakistan these days. But I doubt she's that sea-worthy.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:06:54 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

The paper said not until spring.

Oh yeah it will take a long time. Got a lot of patching and caissons to attach.
It was more a no its never going to 'cruise' again answer to JS

Paper said she is going to be taken to a port whose name I did not recognize for the winter. Lots of patching I'm sure. I don't know what breakers they'll use. A lot of commercial breaking is done in very unfortunate conditions in India/Pakistan these days. But I doubt she's that sea-worthy.

There's a whole beach at Chittagong where "people" seem to just leave the ships that they don't want anymore. It was on 60 Minutes back in 2006.

http://archive.thedailystar.net/2006/07/31/d6073101097.htm

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-2149023.html

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:17:29 PM

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:17:52 PM

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I'm sure this salvage is a major effort but does it really compare with the salvage of Battleship Row? I have always wondered if there is any good book, hopefully with pics, on the Pearl Harbour salvage. I have only stumbled across an occasional pic of the salvage.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:42:11 PM

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Read about the extraordinary salvage of Italian battleship Leonardo da Vinci in 1918-1920

Video:

http://www.britishpathe.com/video/wonderful-engineering-feat-1

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0914FB3E5E157A93CAA81782D85F4D8185F9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Leonardo_da_Vinci

Overturned and sunk in 36 feet of water, superstructure was cut by divers, refloated upside down taken to a drydock upside down, after work on it upside down floated again to right it. That last part is in the video.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:49:29 PM

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I'm sure this salvage is a major effort but does it really compare with the salvage of Battleship Row? I have always wondered if there is any good book, hopefully with pics, on the Pearl Harbour salvage. I have only stumbled across an occasional pic of the salvage.

Harder IMO. The ship is much larger, but more fragile than a warship (lots of the volume is open public areas, non-watertight, and light-aluminum-bulkheaded passenger cabins.) It's also in open sea on one side, and the water is much colder than at Pearl for divers.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 4:51:12 PM

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I think I saw that report; probably what I'm remembering. Orphans and general child labor, massive pollution including heavy metals, no protective gear or even really any management of the breaking at all. The people are completely expendable.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 5:08:19 PM

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This was a luxury cruiser, and relatively new, I bet it is a "dream come true" for the ship breaker that gets it

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 5:19:13 PM

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I'm sure this salvage is a major effort but does it really compare with the salvage of Battleship Row? I have always wondered if there is any good book, hopefully with pics, on the Pearl Harbour salvage. I have only stumbled across an occasional pic of the salvage.

There is. It's "Resurrection" and I've owned it and read it. Worthwhile read if this (harbor salvage) is your bag.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 6:39:24 PM

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I guess the ship had so many tonnes of old food, oil, gasoline and even poisons to that they wanted to make sure the island wouldn't be ruined.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 7:02:25 PM

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Thanks Chicken...I will look for thaqt book. The scoop on the Da Vinci quite amazing given time frame. I'm sure that Bull's comments on crusie ship are apt as it would be very flimsy compared to BB.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 7:22:37 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

Well the Dutch ship Willem Ruys was unlucky but did survive 2 bombings while being built and eventually put in service in 1947 and had a collision. After serving as a mail and passenger ship she got laid up because of lack of business. She was sold to an Italian company and renamed to the MS Achille Lauro. Her luck clearly did not change. sensing nobody would want to book passage on the MS Achille Lauro her name was changed to MS StarLauro. She sailed to South Africa, got to Somalia, caught fire and sunk 3 days later. Clearly, she was no USS Boise

It was even worse than that. I thought I recognised the name and sure, it's the ship that got hijacked by PFLP in 1985 in the Mediterranean. It seems to have been involved in more accidents also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Achille_Lauro

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 7:24:17 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

Well the Dutch ship Willem Ruys was unlucky but did survive 2 bombings while being built and eventually put in service in 1947 and had a collision. After serving as a mail and passenger ship she got laid up because of lack of business. She was sold to an Italian company and renamed to the MS Achille Lauro. Her luck clearly did not change. sensing nobody would want to book passage on the MS Achille Lauro her name was changed to MS StarLauro. She sailed to South Africa, got to Somalia, caught fire and sunk 3 days later. Clearly, she was no USS Boise

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 7:50:47 PM

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That should buff right out.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 10:21:22 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

If they do they will probably rename it.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 11:06:59 PM

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Would they try to repair it?
I doubt tourists would like to be travelling in an "unlucky" ship

If they do they will probably rename it.

- Boomer

Well, the ship will be disbanded; when it will be back to the surface, will be trained
at 2knots into a shipyard (remains to decide where, Piombino, Civitavecchia, Napoli,
Palermo) for disband. Just for info, the first step (put it in vertical position) costed
about 600.000.000 Euros, all payed by Carnival Company.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/17/2013 11:35:06 PM

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No.

Once they get it stable to float under tow, it is going straight to a breakers yard.

The paper said not until spring.

Oh yeah it will take a long time. Got a lot of patching and caissons to attach.
It was more a no its never going to 'cruise' again answer to JS

+1 to that, the cost to repair would be too exorbitant to get back in service (just look at the 2 "dents") so it's just going to be a quick patch job to get it floating to the scrap yard.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/18/2013 4:28:45 AM

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I'd guess: Systems 89, Flotation 98, Engine 75, Fires 0.

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RE: OT: Carnival 'Concordia' Cruiser Ship - 9/19/2013 3:08:02 AM

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I'm sure this salvage is a major effort but does it really compare with the salvage of Battleship Row? I have always wondered if there is any good book, hopefully with pics, on the Pearl Harbour salvage. I have only stumbled across an occasional pic of the salvage.

Free at Hyperwar:

Pearl Harbor: Why, How, Fleet Salvage and Final Appraisal by Vice Admiral Homer N. Wallin USN (Retired). Wallin was the officer who led the salvage operations at Pearl Harbor.

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