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Jonah Goldberg: WWI Demons Live - 8/7/2014 12:30:57 PM   
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"... For most Americans, the war is like algebra or frog anatomy — something you have to study briefly in school but then never have to think about again. Unlike World War II, with its unambiguous villains, epic battles and clear victory, World War I is a hot mess. Countries and forgotten empires declared war on each other in no small part because a bunch of aristocrats in funny clothes said they had to.

"Everything about World War I ... seems anciently irrelevant. But the truth is that almost no modern event can hold a candle to it. George Kennan observed that when studying the maladies of the 20th century, 'all the lines of inquiry lead back to World War I'"...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/08/04/jonah-goldberg-wwi-demons-live/13596963/

Be sure to read Goldberg's scathing appraisal of the Wilson administration's legacy of "war socialism".

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RE: Jonah Goldberg: WWI Demons Live - 8/8/2014 12:17:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		"But the truth is that almost no modern event can hold a candle to it. George Kennan observed that when studying the maladies of the 20th century, "all the lines of inquiry lead back to World War I." A century from now, people might say the same thing of the past two centuries."




It's a hell of a thing to consider that the actions and decisions of the men involved in the pursuit of the Goeben echo across a century of Middle Eastern politics whose reverberations we still feel today.

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RE: Jonah Goldberg: WWI Demons Live - 8/8/2014 10:03:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joe D.


"... For most Americans, the war is like algebra or frog anatomy — something you have to study briefly in school but then never have to think about again. Unlike World War II, with its unambiguous villains, epic battles and clear victory, World War I is a hot mess. Countries and forgotten empires declared war on each other in no small part because a bunch of aristocrats in funny clothes said they had to.

"Everything about World War I ... seems anciently irrelevant. But the truth is that almost no modern event can hold a candle to it. George Kennan observed that when studying the maladies of the 20th century, 'all the lines of inquiry lead back to World War I'"...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/08/04/jonah-goldberg-wwi-demons-live/13596963/

Be sure to read Goldberg's scathing appraisal of the Wilson administration's legacy of "war socialism".


I read it on National Review Online and it is an excellent essay.

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RE: Jonah Goldberg: WWI Demons Live - 8/9/2014 4:00:46 AM   
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Be sure to read Goldberg's scathing appraisal of the Wilson administration's legacy of "war socialism".


Not bad, but Goldberg is mistaken in at least one respect: nearly all the evils that he claims were first introduced by Wilson during WWI can be found during the Civil War, five decades earlier.

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RE: Jonah Goldberg: WWI Demons Live - 8/9/2014 10:32:13 AM   
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Be sure to read Goldberg's scathing appraisal of the Wilson administration's legacy of "war socialism".


Not bad, but Goldberg is mistaken in at least one respect: nearly all the evils that he claims were first introduced by Wilson during WWI can be found during the Civil War, five decades earlier.


"Wilson introduced domestic spying, censorship, violent political intimidation of opponents and economic statism into the American DNA. Pro-Wilson intellectuals celebrated the "social possibilities of war," in the words of John Dewey. By that they meant the ability to force Americans to, as Frederick Lewis Allen put it, "lay by our good-natured individualism and march in step." The enduring notion that experts could plan the economy from Washington was largely born in Wilson's "war socialism."

Then perhaps more accurate would be that Wilson had reintroduced domestic spying, censorship, ... etc.
He also banned amateur (Ham) radio operations.

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