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What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 6:11:25 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 6:53:03 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 7:05:40 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 7:20:22 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 7:35:35 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 8:28:37 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 8:40:22 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/18/2014 9:04:57 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 1:33:55 AM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 1:38:21 AM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 1:39:16 AM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 2:30:53 AM   
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It does look very much like a picture of the Furious I found on Wikipedia, but that's the same class. AW1Steve is a lot closer than I was, if not dead on.

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 2:51:26 AM   
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I'd say HMS Furious. AFAIK the two sisters Glorious and Courageous were converted with an island. Furious was not a sister ship of the former two.

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 3:10:22 AM   
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I'd say HMS Furious. AFAIK the two sisters Glorious and Courageous were converted with an island. Furious was not a sister ship of the former two.



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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 4:28:08 AM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 4:29:31 AM   
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Why does the forward area of the flight deck appear to curve upwards?

Because it IS :)

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 5:23:57 AM   
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Why does the forward area of the flight deck appear to curve upwards?

Because it IS :)



What is the reason behind that?
To help the plane bounce into the air so that it could lift off?

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 4:34:43 PM   
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Why does the forward area of the flight deck appear to curve upwards?

Because it IS :)



What is the reason behind that?
To help the plane bounce into the air so that it could lift off?
warspite1

I cannot see the reason for this, despite searching Friedman's British Carrier Aviation and Hobbs' British Aircraft Carriers

Friedman refers to this as being a ramp - which as you said, suggests a design feature to assist take-off, but the only real mention of this in his book suggests it was used to assist landing. I cannot see that this ramp was a feature of any other carriers. I will keep looking - I'm intrigued now!

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/19/2014 4:57:35 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/19/2014 8:05:05 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? - 6/19/2014 8:10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		The bullnose in front might be for if a landing plane came in a might low, but that's bass ackwards. It should normally land approaching the rear, shouldn't it?

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/20/2014 12:41:59 PM   
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It could be to help slow down.

Well, if it slow down, it help with landing, but it will prolong taking off distance, so not realy ideal solution.

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/20/2014 10:02:27 PM   
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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/20/2014 10:13:54 PM   
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Both these ship had downward ramps as built, not the upward ramps we think of today- they gave taking off aircraft a bump of speed as they went downhill, and slowed landing aircraft as they went uphill. Both were later rebuilt with an upward ramp at the bow. Argus had a slight upward flair added to the leading edge of her flight deck in the mid 1930s, while Furious had a more unusual flightdeck added in 1932: the upward ramp was added 1/3 of the way back from the bow, and to the rear 1/6th of the flightdeck also. So from the side her flightdeck was dished, like this: ---_________--------

Courageous and Glorious had a ski ramps fitted to their forward flight decks, slight but unmistakable, though they retained their old-style downward ramps at the stern end of the flightdecks.

All these ships have the same thing in common: they were early carriers (most were converted from other uses) designed to operate much lighter and slower aircraft, so when they were rebuilt to keep them in service designers did what they could to make their relatively short flight decks operate modern, heavier aircraft.

The only non-British WWII or earlier carrier I can find with any sort of upward flare to the flightdeck is the German Graf Zeppelin. She had her forward flight deck elevated slightly, though it appears to be because of the oddball catapult system, which used aircraft sleds that flipped and returned under the flight deck, rather than any attempt to aim an aircraft upward during takeoff.

source http://warships1discussionboards.yuku.com/reply/290924/Early-ski-jumps-#.U6SxnEBdB8U not a real source but seems to be a good explanation

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/20/2014 10:18:53 PM   
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The ship's superstructure, masts, funnel and landing deck were removed and she was given a 576-by-92-foot (175.6 by 28.0 m) flight deck that extended over three-quarters of her length. This flight deck was not level; it sloped upwards about three-quarters of the way from the stern to help slow down landing aircraft, which had no brakes at that time. The fore-and-aft 320-foot (97.5 m) arresting gear was not intended to stop landing aircraft—the landing speeds of the time were low enough that this was unnecessary given a good headwind—but rather to prevent aircraft from veering off to one side and potentially falling off the flight deck.[21] Various designs for the flight deck were tested in a wind tunnel by the National Physical Laboratory which showed that the distinctive elliptical shape and rounded edges used minimised turbulence.[

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RE: What ship is this? (#2) - 6/21/2014 7:39:18 AM   
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