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Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 1:40:01 PM   
Mad Russian


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Status: offline 		Does this look like a Black Panther?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K2_Black_Panther

That looks like a really big shot trap under the gun to me.

Good Hunting.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 2:26:50 PM   
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Relikt ERA was designed by the Russian army in response to the US M829A3 round. Relikt is the most modern Russian ERA, and is claimed to be twice as effective as Kontakt-5. It detonates on command before the round hits based on information from radar. It can be installed on T-72B and T-90 tanks and is being tested in the Leningrad Military District. As of 2013, only the T-72BM 'Rogatka' introduced in 2006 has Relikt ERA.[1] The Russian and Indian Army T-90AM Armada main battle tank (MBT), and the future Russian T-99 Universal Combat Platform will incorporate Relikt.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 2:32:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		MR, I haven't kicked the road wheels on that puppy (obviously), but my guess is that the boxy parts on the front of the turret and gun mantlet are just that: boxes. Looks like they bolt on and contain smoke grenade launchers and sensors. Likely aluminum and provide protection for the sensors from small arms fire.

Can't say for sure, but I am thinking they'd have little impact on the effect of AP or HEAT rounds.

Very interesting, the missile approach warning system. Getting close to Hammer's Slammers, there.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 4:49:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		They claim the tank can track and engage targets without gunner input while on the move. That is some grav armor biz.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 5:41:32 PM   
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Seems a lot of areas that could be damage for a soft kill

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 9:19:43 PM   
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Also made me think of this quote from Glengarry Glen Ross

"F*** YOU, that's my name!! You know why, mister? 'Cause you drove a Hyundai to get here tonight, I drove an $80,000 BMW. That's my name!!"

Wonder how it stacks up vs a Leopard

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/24/2014 9:23:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf

MR, I haven't kicked the road wheels on that puppy (obviously), but my guess is that the boxy parts on the front of the turret and gun mantlet are just that: boxes. Looks like they bolt on and contain smoke grenade launchers and sensors. Likely aluminum and provide protection for the sensors from small arms fire.

Can't say for sure, but I am thinking they'd have little impact on the effect of AP or HEAT rounds.

Very interesting, the missile approach warning system. Getting close to Hammer's Slammers, there.



Yes, but what caught my eye was the way the turret sits up and isn't flush with the body. That caused a problem in the King Tiger. Could be one here as well. A shot that is a little low on the turret goes in under and will hit something. Maybe the top of the fighting compartment.

I just didn't think that looked like a good design when I saw it.

Good Hunting.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/25/2014 4:20:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
Yes, but what caught my eye was the way the turret sits up and isn't flush with the body. That caused a problem in the King Tiger. Could be one here as well. A shot that is a little low on the turret goes in under and will hit something. Maybe the top of the fighting compartment.

I just didn't think that looked like a good design when I saw it.

Good Hunting.

MR



And the front surface of the turret looks like it might be nearly vertical.

Hey, is it on jack stands?



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RE: Up and Coming - 7/25/2014 4:26:22 AM   
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They claim the tank can track and engage targets without gunner input while on the move. That is some grav armor biz.


About 20 years ago, while a Bradley Master Gunner for 1AD, I saw a bunch of info and video on a prototype tracking system like that for the M2/M3. It use pattern recognition and would auto track, even maintaining track if the target went behind cover (just kept the last known tracking rate and direction until you told it to dump track).

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/26/2014 3:59:20 PM   
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RE: Up and Coming - 7/26/2014 4:29:50 PM   
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RE: Up and Coming - 7/26/2014 5:10:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		well since they invented and developed sloped armour first, seems they have forgotten all that they have teached the world looking at that tank, mind you they did say there next tank was going to be a drone anyway

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/26/2014 6:15:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		The German Panther tank in WW2 had sloped armour, at least on the turret.

Off-topic, but, one Russian commander at Kursk reported, "The Germans have a new type of tank. Using an anti-aircraft gun....."

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/26/2014 9:34:46 PM   
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Why would the SKs not just but M-1s from the US? Would not that be more cost effective?


They have their own military-industrial complex to feed

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/27/2014 3:13:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Soviets produced the first tank with significantly sloped armor. It was the main thing that made the T-34 a revolutionary leap forward in tank design.


Good Hunting.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/27/2014 1:19:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hammer's Slammers! I haven't thought about them for years but I should dig up my books and reread them or maybe get them again for my Kindle. That would be a fun read....

Thanks for mentioning, Rob

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ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf

MR, I haven't kicked the road wheels on that puppy (obviously), but my guess is that the boxy parts on the front of the turret and gun mantlet are just that: boxes. Looks like they bolt on and contain smoke grenade launchers and sensors. Likely aluminum and provide protection for the sensors from small arms fire.

Can't say for sure, but I am thinking they'd have little impact on the effect of AP or HEAT rounds.

Very interesting, the missile approach warning system. Getting close to Hammer's Slammers, there.

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Very interesting, the missile approach warning system. Getting close to Hammer's Slammers, there.

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RE: Up and Coming - 7/29/2014 5:03:44 PM   
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Hammer's Slammers! I haven't thought about them for years but I should dig up my books and reread them or maybe get them again for my Kindle. That would be a fun read....


I suggest The Complete Hammer's Slammers, volumes 1, 2, 3. They have most (possibly all) of the stories David Drake wrote.

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