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ORIGINAL: warspite1

bo are you referring to this forum?

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ORIGINAL: Zartacla

The US Constitution protects individuals from having their freedom of speech restricted by the government. It does not and never has protected anyone against private restrictions.

Put in other terms, in the US you have the right to say whatever you want, but Matrix doesn't have to let you say it on their property.

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ORIGINAL: Joseignacio

Law may not say that, but before the law there are morals, because out of a sense of what is good and what is bad, laws are voted (at least ideally).

So, even if the law doesn't support liberty of expression everywhere, the ethic does. And that quote is not a legal one but an ethic one, and as such can be applied to any part of our existence.

Having said that:

1 Matrix forums (at least this one) are much more permissive than others, especially those held by sellers about their products. whether this is Steve´s or Erik's virtue, or it just happens that they don't care, so they don't know...

2 It's sad that the permittivity of the forum narrows.

3 It's even sadder that we are taken for fools about the reason why a disturbing thread is closed.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

I think that the thread was closed because of insults and not because of the topic. It was all in line with the current Matrix praxis. That another thread with "worse" insults is not yet locked is because it has not caught their attention.

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Orm

I think that the thread was closed because of insults and not because of the topic. It was all in line with the current Matrix praxis. That another thread with "worse" insults is not yet locked is because it has not caught their attention.

I am not really assured that you are correct or incorrect, I believe Matrix should at least warn a person or persons to desist or we [Matrix] will take action against you or the post topic. How come this one caught their attention. There was no warning!

I am not immune to feeling down when I am criticized for my beliefs on these forums but I am not thin skinned either but when I listen to a disgusted fed up poster with the time element of MWIF and a few other things that make sense I can see where it is coming from. I agree with many of the things he said but not necessarily the way he said them.

Matrix and the programmer should not ever be immune from criticism by anyone, if no one speaks up then, they Matrix and the programmer think they are on the right path and everything is honky dory and we know from the time element and the state of the game that it is not honky dory at this point in time.

I feel the post should be reopened with a warning if necessary.

Bo

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: Orm

I think that the thread was closed because of insults and not because of the topic. It was all in line with the current Matrix praxis. That another thread with "worse" insults is not yet locked is because it has not caught their attention.

I am not really assured that you are correct or incorrect, I believe Matrix should at least warn a person or persons to desist or we [Matrix] will take action against you or the post topic. How come this one caught their attention. There was no warning!

I am not immune to feeling down when I am criticized for my beliefs on these forums but I am not thin skinned either but when I listen to a disgusted fed up poster with the time element of MWIF and a few other things that make sense I can see where it is coming from. I agree with many of the things he said but not necessarily the way he said them.

Matrix and the programmer should not ever be immune from criticism by anyone, if no one speaks up then, they Matrix and the programmer think they are on the right path and everything is honky dory and we know from the time element and the state of the game that it is not honky dory at this point in time.

I feel the post should be reopened with a warning if necessary.

Bo

warspite1

bo I guarantee that the thread was closed down for the right reasons - albeit the name calling and unpleasantness had abated by the time it was noted.

If you were to start up another thread stating the same things - but without the name calling (i.e. within forum rules) - it would not be closed down. If Matrix were incapable of taking criticism they would not allow the forums in the first place.

In my time here I've have only known Matrix to be fair in this regard. Give it a go if you don't believe me.

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

Thread start 5/26/2015 4:51:45 PM
Thead locked 6/3/2015 5:58:14 PM
Last post by Crussdaddy 6/2/2015 5:26:40 PM
Last post by warspite1 6/2/2015 5:38:11 PM

My reading of the locked thread pointed to Crussdaddy and warspite1 having a spirited and confrontational exchange and assume this was why the thread was locked.

If it was important to police the thread in question. Why wait until after the exchange was done and finished.
Pretty much the whole topic had died and was going into no bump land. Except now it has become a matyr thread.
Placed under lock and forever enshrined by the power that seeks silence.

Now we have something else to grouse about. Not that another topic is bad thing.
Just seems like unnecessary smoke.

If past topics had seen exchanges like the one locked instantly acted on.
This would be a non issue. An example of this would be political topics in general.
They are not allowed. period.

Now a cloud of suspicion has gathered. It will hang around like mustard gas.
Threads created to question can now be locked on the pretext of trolling.

The power to silence is not a freedom. It belongs to those who seek control of criticism.
Regardless of the stated motive.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

I'm not sure what you feel is not true. My whole post, part of it, what part? What am I missing?

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My reading of the locked thread pointed to Crussdaddy and warspite1 having a spirited and confrontational exchange and assume this was why the thread was locked. [Correct]

If it was important to police the thread in question [Correct]. Why wait until after the exchange was done and finished.[See my post]
Pretty much the whole topic had died and was going into no bump land.[See my post] Except now it has become a matyr thread.
Placed under lock and forever enshrined by the power that seeks silence.

Now we have something else to grouse about. Not that another topic is bad thing.
Just seems like unnecessary smoke.

If past topics had seen exchanges like the one locked instantly acted on.
This would be a non issue. An example of this would be political topics in general. [Did not understand what you meant because of the first sentence in the paragraph]
They are not allowed. period.

Now a cloud of suspicion has gathered. It will hang around like mustard gas.
Threads created to question can now be locked on the pretext of trolling.

The power to silence is not a freedom. It belongs to those who seek control of criticism.
Regardless of the stated motive.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: WarHunter

warspite1,

Lets start this off with lets agree to disagree in the spirit of freedom to choose.

You choose to believe why the thread was locked. I don't believe it.
Please don't make this into a convert me to your point of view. I won't play that.

My only intention was to voice an opinion from my point of view. It may resonate with some. Not with you or others.

Its okay.

Lets get on with setting up a game of MWiF on Teamviewer and doing an AAR for the few who look forward to that sort of thing.

The fact we are not really on topics about MWiF makes them boring and non-constructive.

Your honored axis or allied opponent in waiting,
WarHunter

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Lets start this off with lets agree to disagree in the spirit of freedom to choose.

You choose to believe why the thread was locked. I don't believe it.
Please don't make this into a convert me to your point of view. I won't play that.

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The fact we are not really on topics about MWiF makes them boring and non-constructive.

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Your honored axis or allied opponent in waiting,

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

no such thing apart from in your mind as freedom of speech anyway (post not a reply to anyone either), i don't own the game, and aren't here to flame anyone, but a forum is for all it's members, sometimes those in charge / command need to call a choice one way or another, while some agree others don't, this is life, life isn't and never has been fair, your parents all lied to you, some times it's better to move on and forget about the past and what has and hasn't been said and take the higher road, the one that leads to know where and move on.

i offend as often as i help, but don't mean to, it's just a word taken out of context that once typed can't be taken back once read, that's life, we all make them *(mistakes that is), but some of us don't learn by them and carry on making the same ones over and over again.

i've been a moderator on a number of forums for years, and now don't do any for many reasons, the main one is everyone thinks they are right all or most of the time, when in fact they are wrong, to admit your wrong is a step to enlightenment and tbh i'm always wrong so must be ready for nirvana now.

why post this, why not.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi bo,

I don't understand your point either and this kind of stuff gets fairly close to trolling. The other thread was only locked because it seemed to be getting personal between posters. Locking a thread does not remove its content and I have not issued any kind of warning about what can or can't be discussed, other than staying within the forum rules. In addition, I then posted replies that covered the more relevant parts of the thread in other threads, which hopefully answered the original poster's question and those of others there.

If I missed responding to a question, please post it again and I'll reply.

Regards,

- Erik

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ORIGINAL: CrusssDaddy

The thread was closed because Warspite was trolling. Free speech is all well and good, until a bad apple comes along and spoils the whole bunch. I'm happy to say my own exemplary attitude has not in any way been tainted by the actions of reprobates and scoundrels. More threads should be closed, in fact.

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

no such thing apart from in your mind as freedom of speech anyway (post not a reply to anyone either), i don't own the game, and aren't here to flame anyone, but a forum is for all it's members, sometimes those in charge / command need to call a choice one way or another, while some agree others don't, this is life, life isn't and never has been fair, your parents all lied to you, some times it's better to move on and forget about the past and what has and hasn't been said and take the higher road, the one that leads to know where and move on.

i offend as often as i help, but don't mean to, it's just a word taken out of context that once typed can't be taken back once read, that's life, we all make them *(mistakes that is), but some of us don't learn by them and carry on making the same ones over and over again.

i've been a moderator on a number of forums for years, and now don't do any for many reasons, the main one is everyone thinks they are right all or most of the time, when in fact they are wrong, to admit your wrong is a step to enlightenment and tbh i'm always wrong so must be ready for nirvana now.

why post this, why not.

You have more posts than I do so by the rules installed by Matrix I have to hold my tongue and be nice to you

My parents did lie to me but how did you know that



Bo

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

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ORIGINAL: bo

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ORIGINAL: zakblood

no such thing apart from in your mind as freedom of speech anyway (post not a reply to anyone either), i don't own the game, and aren't here to flame anyone, but a forum is for all it's members, sometimes those in charge / command need to call a choice one way or another, while some agree others don't, this is life, life isn't and never has been fair, your parents all lied to you, some times it's better to move on and forget about the past and what has and hasn't been said and take the higher road, the one that leads to know where and move on.

i offend as often as i help, but don't mean to, it's just a word taken out of context that once typed can't be taken back once read, that's life, we all make them *(mistakes that is), but some of us don't learn by them and carry on making the same ones over and over again.

i've been a moderator on a number of forums for years, and now don't do any for many reasons, the main one is everyone thinks they are right all or most of the time, when in fact they are wrong, to admit your wrong is a step to enlightenment and tbh i'm always wrong so must be ready for nirvana now.

why post this, why not.

You have more posts than I do so by the rules installed by Matrix I have to hold my tongue and be nice to you

My parents did lie to me but how did you know that



Bo

can you link me to that rules please, ty (as it's a silly one and never heard of it before either)

and i try and be nice to everyone, regardless of post counts, but someone is always offended by some remark or other so it's not always easy to get it right all the time, post count only means either a user has more free time, or doesn't mind how they use there free time or wastes it, or just spams a lot, i fit into all 3 sections

i'm old and daft, not too old, but very daftand have also been told not to long ago i stir things up, something i must do without knowing it or wanting to happen, i just seem to have a opinion on everything, and mostly the wrong one it seems

England expects that every man will do his duty. Horatio Nelson October 1805