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Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US & Russian Per... - 3/3/2017 7:23:45 AM   
Tailhook

 

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(Russian perspective added to later post)

Had a lot of fun with this scenario. Played as the US. Score and Butcher's Bill is at the bottom of the post.

Spoilers to follow.

Started off with an impressive array of forces on my side. Multiple submarines, a CSG, multiple F-16 squadrons deployed to South Korea, the South Korean Air Force, and a number of shiny attachments including a B-2, some F-22s, some F-35s, recon assets, and tankers. My mission was to destroy all of North Koreas nuclear capabilities, including TEL vehicles and their one Ballistic Missile submarine. Other targets included Command bunkers, tunnel entrances to various nuclear production sites (not the sites themselves for fear of releasing radiologicals), an under construction reactor, and the North Korean naval facilities on the East Coast. To accomplish this I needed to neutralize an aging but numerous DPRK Air Force as well as their Soviet era IADS backing them up.

I was a bit overwhelmed at first, not knowing where to start. I spent well over two hours planning my moves and organizing the AI before unpausing. I needed to catch as many of the 400+ Korean jets on the ground as possible so as to be able to hit my targets, especially the time sensitive and mobile launchers. Having a swarm of bees around would not help this out. So I began to plot tomahawk routes.

The North Koreans occupied 9 major airbases across the countryside. Tomahawks would hit Kuum Ni, Koksan, and Hwangju airfields closest to the border. Other missiles would cross the peninsula and attempt to hit Sunchon (home of Kim Jong Uns MiG-29s) and Pukchang near Pyongyang. A few missiles would hit radar sites nearest the border while my large quantity of TLAM-Ds equipped with cluster warheads would target the various SAM sites located across the country. F/A-18s from the Ronald Reagan strike group would engage Iwon airbase on the coast with JSOWs with large BROACH warheads. One of my submarines would fire 24 Tomahawks to skirt the Russian and Chinese borders with North Korea (probably not a wise political move but what they don't know won't hurt them) to attempt to hit Changjin-Up Airbase in the North. The ROKAF would launch a strike with KF-16s to neutralize Wonsan airbase on the eastern coast. Finally, a dozen American F-16s would push across the border to ensure that Suchon, Pukchang, and Kaechon airbases were destroyed in case the Tomahawks up there were intercepted. I planned this because the missiles going there, while taking a wide flank, were likely to be detected once the border airbases started going up and Kim scrambled his back field fighters.

Complementing this massive strike I had an EP-3 over the Sea of Japan, a Rivet Joint along the DMZ, AEW aircraft, and tankers scattered liberally across the southern peninsula and Sea of Japan. Two of the three USAF F-16 squadrons were equipped with AMRAAMS to patrol the DMZ, backed by ROKAF KF-16s not tasked with the strike on Wonsan. Out to sea, two squadrons of Super Hornets took to the air. I would have over 60 shooters in the air to deal with whatever DPRK air forces survive the Tomahawk waves. Elsewhere, I launched maritime patrol aircraft to begin hunting the DPRK SSB as well as identifying the various unknown surface contacts in the area. This was backed by autonomous JMSDF maritime patrol aircraft and an ASW SAG centered on the Izumo. The Russians showed no signs of mobilization, despite their strong language against the Kim regime.

After all this planning I waited an hour for aircraft to get (more) ready and support aircraft to get into position. With those assets set, over 200 Tomahawks lept into the air. I monitored their flight paths and once the time seemed appropriate I began launching my fighters to arrive at their patrol stations shortly behind the missile strikes, and the strike aircraft themselves to impact at approximately the same time. I was wildly successful.

Coastal radar and SAM sites on the East coast were the first hit, along with the strike on Kuum Ni which disabled the field without the chance to launch a single jet. Koksan was able to launch a pair of MiG-21s which intercepted a couple tomahawks heading to it, sparing a runway grade taxiway. These jets were splashed and a single GBU from a passing F-16 neutralized that runway. Super Hornets fired 16 JSOWs at Iwon which had begun to scramble MiG-23s. The same hornets splashed these scramblers and although a KN-06 (S-300 copy) splashed a few bombs, enough got through to wipe out that airbase. Hwangju was only able to launch a pair of MiGs before the Tomahawks rained down on it, taking it out of the fight and catching several aircraft on the runway. The ROKAF hit Wonsan on time, firing at scrambling MiGs even while dropping their laser guided bombs on the runways and taxiways. Within 10 minutes, 5 of the 9 airbases were taken out of the fight with the vast majority of their fighters left on the ground with nowhere to go.

The last 4 airbases were farther into DPRK territory and thus harder to get to through the 150+ aircraft still available and remaining SAM sites concentrated around Pyongyang. I pushed all of my DMZ cap F-16s to push north, sweeping the skies of DPRK jets. I found that by launching my AMRAAMs at ~70% of their max range I had a consistent pK of 0.85, letting me slaughter the old jets I found but still remaining out of range of their missiles. With luck, my first 4 F-16s reached Sunchon and were able to take it out before a single MiG-29 could be scrambled. The other 4 F-16s, backed by the large Air to Air sweep and a few HARM shooters, were able to press on to Pukchang and take out the runways stranding the aircraft that remained on the ground. The success of this strike let me retarget my TACTOMs coming in off the west coast. I sent these on a wide flank to come around and hit Kaechon from the North-west, allowing over 25 Tomahawks to get through the few fighters in position to intercept. This airbase too was neutralized, showing the strength of the TACTOM as it originally had not been targeted by any missiles. The remaining 20-30 jets or so gathered for a suicide raid and charged the DMZ, where they were annihilated without a lost US/ROK jet (although there were a couple close calls).

In the east things got more interesting. The majority of the Tomahawks skirting the border were detected by the now massive amount of fighters circling over Changjin, debating whether to go Southeast against my CAP or engage the missiles coming from their rear. Somehow, the DPRK pilots were able to attack the missiles skimming along at 60' AGL (this really shouldn't be possible, there's nothing as stressful as flying low for a long time, nevermind in extremely mountainous terrain and old jets) and destroyed all but a handful. These hit the airfield but weren't able to neutralize any of the runways or taxiways. I began to marshal the Navy to push in for a sweep when Russia entered the fray in force. A regiment of SU-27SMs crossed the border with North Korea and began engaging their MiGs, killing the majority of them while losing only 4 of their number. This had the added effect of exposing the North Korean KN-06 site to a Navy SEAD flight I had lurking to the south. Backed by a pair of growlers, 4 Super Hornets raced in to the confusion and wiped out the lone battery with AGM-88E missiles. During this, I slipped a quartet of F-35Bs equipped with JDAMs out of Japan and was able to finish off the airfield at Changjin. At this point the skies over Korea belonged to me, although I had to share them with an increasing Russian presence.

A B-2, previously launched from Kadena worked it's way along the western coast of the Korean peninsula before reaching the skies over Pyongyang. There it released a pair of Massive Ordnance Penetrator bombs, destroying a pair of command bunkers that would otherwise have been impervious to my munitions. The few SAM sites left in the city had no idea what was going on and the big black jet escaped unharmed. During all this, an Australian submarine, the HMAS Sheean, backed by a P-8 were able to sink a DPRK diesel-electric submarine off the coast as well as the few old missile corvettes motoring about. I ordered the submarine to move off of the docks, and the rest of my P-3s and P-8s were free to load up for sub hunting and join the hunt for the SSB.

I launched a squadron of F-15Ks to head to the border with China and destroy the tunnel entrances to the Kanggyesi Production Center using GBU-28 Deep Throat heavy bunker busters. Simultaneously, the Navy took out the Satellite Uplink Relay (above the ruined bunker), the Yongbyon Nuclear Research Center Entrance, and the Taechongun Nuclear Power Station construction site all to the Northwest of Pyongyang using SLAM-ER missiles and JDAMs. As expected in the briefing, the Russians used this opportunity to start hitting targets as well. They showed no such restraint against the spread of radiologicals and decided to attack the Yongbyon and Chungjinsi Nuclear storage and production sites, causing who knows what sort of environmental disasters and lasting effects on the poor citizens of the DPRK. These attacks were substantially less effective than my own due to the lack of PGMs and heavy ordnance available to them. The Russians also finished off the majority of SAM and radar sites that were damaged but not destroyed by the Tomahawk strikes.

My U-2S out of Osan arrived in the reported area of the North Korean TEL launchers during the last of these strikes. Using it's radar and powerful optics it was able to locate several groups of vehicles scattered across the North-east of North Korea, including the suspected Nuclear armed TEL. Washington did not want to afford Russia the opportunity to steal credit for neutralizing the threat, so I had to act quickly before the Russian search forces found the vehicles. After getting positive ID on the TELs with some F-35s I raced in, I fired the last of my Tomahawks from one of my submarines. To back this up I launched 4 F-22s bristling with SDBs to supercruise to the area from North Japan. Most of the Tomahawks passed too close to a Russian SAG which shot down all but a handful. I was irritated but they took no other hostile actions, so I chocked it up as a simple misunderstanding and carelessness on my part. I vectored the remaining missiles out of the area and re-allocated them to targets I most suspected were launchers, while the F-22s raced overhead. The F-22s actually reached the area first and had more than enough SDBs to destroy every TEL, conventional and nuclear, in the area. The U-2 confirmed the destruction overhead, and with US and Russian politicians already racing to claim credit, the F-22s and U-2 returned home while the Tomahawks were vectored into random DPRK targets in the area.

All that remained at this point was the North Korean boomer somewhere in the sea of Japan and the dockyards themselves. Against this submarine was two of my own submarines (a Virginia and a 688i), a JMSDF submarine and ASW SAG, numerous Russian maritime patrol aircraft, a pair of Udaloys, and at least one submarine (detected via Japanese sonobuoy). Amazingly with all this going on, a P-8 dropped a lucky bracket of passive sonobuoys beneath the layer near the SSB. Once it was positively identifed with as the target, a HAAWC Mk54 torpedo pair was all that was needed to ensure it would be no threat to anyone anymore.

The final task was the destruction of the Sinpo Submarine Pen, Mayang-do Naval Base, and T'oejo-dong Naval Base. USAF and ROKAF F-16s and KF-16s, backed by USN Super Hornets took to the skies after rearming and finished off these last three bases in heavy bombing raids. Dumb bombs actually proved most effective here, able to take out the berths and docks in a single pass from USAF F-16s.

This was a lot of fun, and a total curb stomp on my side. Not a single US or ROK casualty! I didn't expect it to go nearly as well as it did, but the tools are in place for a crushing victory like this. I imagine losses would have been higher in real life due to AAA emplacements across the peninsula, but this scenario demonstrated just how much of a curb stomp the air and naval battle for the Korean peninsula would be. At this point in the scenario it's up to the politicians to sue for peace before an all out land war erupts on the Peninsula. The scenario was completed in under 12 hours, so who knows, maybe the ground war could be averted.

Odd behavior noted:
-There were numerous false contacts out there. Unfortunately, the AI isn't smart enough to drop them over time, so there were points where like 4 Russian MP aircraft were circling the same spot. I switched sides and manually marked them neutral.

-My forces stopped automatically dropping sonobuoys in the ASW patrol. I don't know if this was because the Russians had saturated the area or what, but it took quite a bit of micromanaging to get good patterns and eventually find the SSB. The carriers escort sonar picked up any contacts, although no submarines.

-My DDGs/CG kept trying to "drop" contacts in the message log, even though they weren't assigned to any AAW mission. It got a little spammy. See the tech support thread.

Score and Butcher's Bill:


Triumph - Your score is: 3825

SIDE: US
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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15x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
16x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
3x Mk48 Mod 7 ADCAP CBASS
11x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
62x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-C
52x RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-D
50x RGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
24x UGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
20x UGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
78x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
16x AGM-154C JSOW [BROACH]
21x AIM-120B AMRAAM
16x AGM-88B HARM
19x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
16x GBU-31(V)3/B JDAM [BLU-109/B]
1x AIM-9S Sidewinder
97x AIM-120C AMRAAM P3I.1
20x AIM-9M Sidewinder
1x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
18x GBU-24C/B Paveway III LGB [BLU-116/B]
6x AN/ALE-50 [RT-1646/ALE]
7x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
12x AGM-88E AARGM
2x GBU-57A/B MOP
2x UGM-84D Harpoon IC
8x GBU-32(V)2/B JDAM [Mk83]
12x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA
23x GBU-24E/B Paveway III GPS/LGB [BLU-109A/B]
6x GBU-28C/B Deep Throat LGB/GPS [BLU-122/B]
70x GBU-39/B SDB
2x Mk54 HAAWC Mod 0
3x Mk54 LHT Mod 0
48x GBU-10E/B Paveway II LGB [Mk84]
64x GBU-12D/B Paveway II LGB [Mk82]
168x Mk82 500lb LDGP
100x GBU-38(V)1/B JDAM [Mk82]



SIDE: Russia
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LOSSES:
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4x Su-27SM2/3 Flanker B
2x Su-24M2 Fencer D


EXPENDITURES:
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27x RGB-NM-1 [Passive Omni]
12x RGB-41 [Search, Passive Omni]
15x RGB-48 [Search, Passive Directional]
17x RGB-58 [Track, Active/Passive]
16x SS-N-30 [3M14 Kalibr]
48x Kh-101
16x AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 [Kh-22NA INS+TERCOM]
2x SA-21b Growler [40N6]
23x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
24x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
15x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
21x AA-10 Alamo B [R-27T, MR IR]
14x AA-11 Archer [R-73M]
3x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
5x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
8x AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM]
16x AS-22 [Kh-38MLE]
16x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
3x KAB-1500L-F LGB
3x KAB-1500Kr TV/EO
64x SA-N-6a Grumble [5R55RM]
12x RGB-15 [Refined Search, Passive Omni]
9x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]



SIDE: North Korea
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LOSSES:
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1x Sang-O
11x Radar (Bar Lock A [P-37])
15x MiG-23ML Flogger G
59x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
84x SA-2f Guideline Mod 1 Single Rail
51x MiG-21PFM Fishbed F
49x F-7B Fishbed [MiG-21 Copy]
15x Vehicle (Fan Song F [RSNA-75M])
14x Vehicle (Spoon Rest C [P-12])
50x MiG-21bis Fishbed L
27x SA-5c Gammon Single Rail
17x 23mm ZU-23-2
6x Building (Square Pair [5N62])
3x Building (Tall King C [P-14])
1x Radar (Tall King A [P-14])
26x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
4x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
4x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])
1x Radar (China JY-8A Wall Rust)
2x Building (Odd Pair HF [PRV-13])
2x Radar (Flat Face B [P-19])
1x Nampo
1x Radar (Odd Pair HF [PRV-13])
1x Vehicle (Clam Shell [5N66])
1x Vehicle (Tombstone [30N6])
6x SA-20a Gargoyle [5P85SE] TEL
3x SA-16 Gimlet [9K310 Igla-1] MANPADS
2x Underground Hardened Bunker (C3M)
4x 611 Sariwon [Impr Tral]
2x Radar (Back Net [P-80])
1x Building (Control Tower)
2x 531 Najin [Kola Copy]
1x Building (Uplink Relay Station)
2x Structure (Power Station - Nuclear)
2x A/C Underground Aircraft Shelter Entrance (Blast Doors)
1x Structure (Industrial Plant)
1x Structure (Tunnel Entrance)
6x Nodong 2 TEL
24x Nodong 2 TEL
1x Radar (Spoon Rest D [P-18])
23x Building (Medium)
30x Structure (Naval Dock)
17x Building (Large)
1x Sinpo
2x MS-29 Yono
2x Building (Very Large)
1x Structure (Submarine Pens)


EXPENDITURES:
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62x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
44x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6E]
25x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
13x AA-8 Aphid [R-60TM]
26x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
22x SA-2f Guideline Mod 1 [S-75M2 Volkhov, 5YA23 / V-759]
15x AA-8 Aphid [R-60T]
10x 23mm Gsh-23 Burst [GP-9 Pod, 40 rnds]
31x SA-3b Goa [5V27, V-601P]
3x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
6x PL-2b [AA-2a]
1x SA-7a Grail [9M32]
100x 30mm Type 30-1 x 2 Burst [30 rnds]



SIDE: Japan
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LOSSES:
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EXPENDITURES:
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57x J/HQS-12 DIFAR
100x J/HQS-33B DICASS [AN/SSQ-62]



SIDE: Civil Traffic
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LOSSES:
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SIDE: Biologics
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LOSSES:
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< Message edited by Tailhook -- 3/5/2017 11:33:14 PM >
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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/3/2017 9:39:07 AM   
Gunner98

 

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Thanks for that Tailhook - you did far better then I did in testing, always managed to lose at least a 1/2 Dozen on both the US and Russian side.

Bravo!


quote:

numerous false contacts


You can clear them with the hotkey 'p' I think.

B

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/3/2017 10:32:08 AM   
Tailhook

 

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I didn't have an issue with the false contacts,it's the AI sides being unable to ID it as such. Their aircraft will just get stuck circling above the contact. There was one point where I think 4 Russian May aircraft were circling the same point. If I hadn't swapped sides and fixed it for them they'd have stayed there indefinitely.

Thanks though, I had a lot of fun with it. I should have used the time on target spreadsheet.


< Message edited by Tailhook -- 3/3/2017 10:48:40 AM >

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/3/2017 3:51:56 PM   
Lunex

 

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thanks

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/3/2017 10:29:42 PM   
Excroat3

 

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Great AAR! I'm curious, what did the Russians do specifically? Did they help you in any way? Other than the SAG incident, were there any close calls in the air? Did they hit any targets you were planning on hitting?

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/3/2017 10:50:32 PM   
Tailhook

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Excroat3

Great AAR! I'm curious, what did the Russians do specifically? Did they help you in any way? Other than the SAG incident, were there any close calls in the air? Did they hit any targets you were planning on hitting?

The most useful thing they did was the fighter sweep as I was performing a deep strike. It tied up the last North Korean airbase which also happened to be closest to the Russian border. I think they also shot some cruise missiles at the last radar and SAM sites in operation but at that point they were pretty much a non-factor. Other than that, their fighters would come out to VID my strikers and then go about their business. It was fairly straightforward and not much of an issue. I beat them to the Nodong and the SSB which were probably the biggest "races". Maybe if I had realized the ASW bug they were dealing with earlier they could have caught the SSB before I did because I don't think they had any issues with sonobuoys but were stuck circling a false contact for a while.

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/5/2017 11:46:00 PM   
Tailhook

 

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Just finished it up from the Russian perspective. You have to play it completely differently and there are some severe limitations in your forces.

I elected to wait until the US initiated hostilities in order to not have to deal with the hordes of enemy aircraft (I had something like 60 total fighters, the majority of which were limited to SARH missiles). This let me mobilize my strike force of bombers as well as the various supporting assets. The US did not disappoint, although thanks to their jamming and the long range I only had the message log to get an idea of what was happening. They seemed to take a lot of casualties in the air fight and I'm not sure how successful their tomahawk strikes were (I think they targeted ramp space rather than runways).

With the North Koreans sufficiently distracted I launched cruise missiles from my SAG backed by some TU-160s and TU-22s. The TU-22s targeted a hardened nuclear site west of Pyongyang with Kitchen missiles, cracking their hardened defenses. The rest of my cruise missiles were used to punch a hole in the IADS in the Northeast where all my targets were, rather than the rest of the country. Fullbacks and Fencers flew in behind these forces to hit my known targets while CAP circled overhead. Out to sea my various maritime patrol aircraft had no trouble locating the enemy boomer (no sonobuoy issues here) and sinking it.

With all of the fixed targets destroyed the only remaining targets for me were the Nodong TELs. Unfortunately, Russia is way behind the US in terms of ground reconnaissance aircraft. I dedicated recon Fencers, IL-20s, a TU-214, and even IL-38s with combing the mountainous search area, hoping to get a glimpse. The Americans were able to take out one of the launchers while I lost some fencers to MANPADS which could fire at my search aircraft which had to stay within their envelope in order to have a hope of finding the targets. Several aircraft later I eventually located the targets and finished them off with Fullbacks.

Definitely easier than the US side of the battle in terms of objectives, but the limitations do pose their own challenges.

The US forces lost a B-2 to an air to air engagement, somehow, as well as several F-22s and F-35s to fuel starvation, as well as several other aircraft to the same. Not entirely sure how that happened as I know they had tankers up.

Major Victory - Your final score is: 625

SIDE: US
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LOSSES:
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27x F-16CG Blk 40 Falcon
4x F/A-18F Super Hornet
13x F/A-18E Super Hornet
1x P-3C Orion Update III AIP - MiG-23
1x RC-135W Rivet Joint
1x MH-60S Knighthawk
1x EP-3E Aries II - MiG-23
11x F-16C Blk 32 Falcon
2x F-15K Eagle
1x B-2A Spirit Blk 30 - Air to Air kill from a DPRK IR missile
1x F-35B Lightning II - Fuel starvation
9x F-22A Raptor - Fuel starvation


EXPENDITURES:
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11x AN/SSQ-53F DIFAR
10x AN/SSQ-62E DICASS
5x AN/SSQ-77B VLAD
62x RGM-109C Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-C
52x RGM-109D Tomahawk Blk III TLAM-D
50x RGM-109E Tomahawk Blk IV TACTOM
148x AIM-120C AMRAAM P3I.1
82x MIM-14B Nike Hercules
89x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
24x AGM-88B HARM
75x AIM-9M Sidewinder
31x AIM-120B AMRAAM
126x AIM-120D AMRAAM P3I.4
81x AIM-9P-4 Sidewinder
36x 20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
22x AN/ALE-50 [RT-1646/ALE]
110x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
7x AGM-88E AARGM
13x MIM-104D Patriot PAC-2 GEM
56x AIM-9X Sidewinder
52x MIM-23C I-HAWK
1x AN/ALE-55 FOTD
9x 20mm/85 M61A2 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]
40x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Dual Spectral]
16x GBU-24E/B Paveway III GPS/LGB [BLU-109A/B]
22x GBU-24C/B Paveway III LGB [BLU-116/B]
8x RIM-174A ERAM SM-6MR Blk I
1x RIM-156A SM-2ER Blk IV [Anti-ASBM Mod]
16x GBU-31(V)3/B JDAM [BLU-109/B]
16x AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM P3I.2
6x GBU-28C/B Deep Throat LGB/GPS [BLU-122/B]
2x UGM-84D Harpoon IC
2x AGM-88C HARM
2x GBU-57A/B MOP
2x GBU-32(V)2/B JDAM [Mk83]
1x AIM-120C-7 AMRAAM P3I.3
14x GBU-39/B SDB
2x AGM-84K SLAMER-ATA



SIDE: Russia
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LOSSES: (all due to MANPADS near the Nodongs)
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4x Su-24M2 Fencer D
1x Su-24MR Fencer E
1x Su-34 Fullback


EXPENDITURES:
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37x RGB-41 [Search, Passive Omni]
31x RGB-58 [Track, Active/Passive]
32x RGB-48 [Search, Passive Directional]
22x RGB-NM-1 [Passive Omni]
37x RGB-15 [Refined Search, Passive Omni]
20x RGB-55A [Track, Active/Passive]
14x RGB-25 [Track, Passive Directional]
24x RGB-75 [Basic Search, Passive Omni]
2x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
52x SA-21b Growler [40N6]
16x SS-N-30 [3M14 Kalibr]
5x SA-N-6a Grumble [5R55RM]
48x Kh-101
6x SS-N-12 Sandbox Mod 2 [P-1000]
22x AA-10 Alamo C [R-27RE, LR SARH]
14x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
16x AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 [Kh-22NA INS+TERCOM]
2x APR-2 Orlan-M
2x AT-3 [UMGT-1 Orlan, NATO E40-79A]
9x Generic Chaff Salvo [4x Cartridges]
16x AS-17 Krypton C [Kh-31P, ARM]
5x Generic Flare Salvo [2x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
24x PBK-500U Unitary [INS + GLONASS]
100x FAB-250M-62 GPB
16x AS-20 Kayak [Kh-35U Star]
6x KAB-1500L-F LGB
20x AA-13 Arrow [R-37M, RVV-BD]
72x OFAB-250-270 Frag
1x AA-12 Adder B [R-77-1, RVV-SD]
12x AS-22 [Kh-38MLE]
2x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
9x Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
7x SS-N-14 Silex [85RU, Dual-Role, UMGT-1 Torpedo + 185kg Unitary]



SIDE: North Korea
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LOSSES:
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105x MiG-21PFM Fishbed F
24x MiG-21FL Fishbed F
72x MiG-21bis Fishbed L
86x F-7B Fishbed [MiG-21 Copy]
8x Vehicle (Spoon Rest C [P-12])
8x Vehicle (Fan Song F [RSNA-75M])
30x SA-7a Grail [9K32 Strela-2] MANPADS
36x SA-2f Guideline Mod 1 Single Rail
3x Vehicle (Flat Face B [P-19])
3x Vehicle (Low Blow [SNR-125])
2x SA-3b Goa Quad Rail
2x Building (Control Tower)
4x Ammo Shelter
2x Radar (Back Net [P-80])
4x Building (Square Pair [5N62])
35x MiG-23ML Flogger G
6x Radar (Bar Lock A [P-37])
1x Radar (China JY-8A Wall Rust)
1x Radar (Flat Face B [P-19])
4x 611 Sariwon [Impr Tral]
24x MiG-21MF Fishbed J
15x SA-5c Gammon Single Rail
6x 23mm ZU-23-2
1x Radar (Odd Pair HF [PRV-13])
1x Building (Odd Pair HF [PRV-13])
1x Building (Tall King C [P-14])
2x Structure (Power Station - Nuclear)
1x Structure (Industrial Plant)
12x MiG-29 Fulcrum A
5x Structure (Naval Dock)
2x 531 Najin [Kola Copy]
12x MiG-29S Fulcrum C
1x Structure (Submarine Pens)
3x MS-29 Yono
1x Nampo
1x Sinpo
1x Structure (Tunnel Entrance)
1x Vehicle (Tombstone [30N6])
6x SA-20a Gargoyle [5P85SE] TEL
1x Vehicle (Clam Shell [5N66])
1x A/C Underground Aircraft Shelter Entrance (Blast Doors)
1x A/C Underground Aircraft Shelter (4x Large Aircraft)
1x AvGas (150k Liter Underground Tank)
1x Ammo Bunker (Underground)
1x Ammo Bunker (Mountain)
6x Nodong 2 TEL
6x Nodong 2 TEL
1x Building (Medium)
4x Sang-O


EXPENDITURES:
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65x SA-5c Gammon [5V28M5]
112x SA-2f Guideline Mod 1 [S-75M2 Volkhov, 5YA23 / V-759]
24x 30mm Type 30-1 x 2 Burst [30 rnds]
59x SA-3b Goa [5V27, V-601P]
25x 23mm Gsh-23 Burst [GP-9 Pod, 40 rnds]
52x 23mm Gsh-23L Burst [40 rnds]
61x AA-8 Aphid [R-60T]
43x AA-2a Atoll [R-3S]
80x AA-7 Apex C [R-24R, SARH]
33x PL-2b [AA-2a]
41x AA-8 Aphid [R-60TM]
48x SA-20a Gargoyle [48N6E]
45x AA-10 Alamo A [R-27R, MR SARH]
38x AA-11 Archer [R-73]
10x Generic Flare Salvo [3x Cartridges, Single Spectral]
43x Generic Chaff Salvo [5x Cartridges]
5x 30mm Gsh-30-1 Burst [30 rnds]
1x SA-7a Grail [9M32]
20x FN-6



SIDE: Japan
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------


EXPENDITURES:
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143x J/HQS-12 DIFAR
129x J/HQS-33B DICASS [AN/SSQ-62]



SIDE: Civil Traffic
===========================================================

LOSSES:
-------------------------------



SIDE: Biologics
===========================================================

LOSSES:
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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/7/2017 7:25:13 AM   
Galahad78

 

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Wow! Very nice report and play! Next in my pipeline of scenarios, it seems that it needs quite a time to plan it properly.

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/7/2017 12:20:52 PM   
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Thanks for the report Tailhook - well done! The two sides are very different problem sets - and in theory, the better the player does, the easier it is for the AI opponent to complete its tasks. Not sure if that works out when playing though.

B

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/7/2017 8:34:14 PM   
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Very nice scores! On the Russian side, what did you hid the hardened bunkers with?

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 3/8/2017 12:30:19 AM   
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Not sure how easy the Russian intervention makes the American effort. If I had initiated hostilities instead of letting the Americans do it I would have had a real interesting air war given the smaller amount of planes and reliance on SARH missiles. Probably would have made it a lot easier for them though if their jets can shoot them in the back. I think the AI is far from perfect though seeing as it lost a B-2 to a MiG and multiple 5th gen aircraft to fuel starvation.

I used the AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 to crack the Yongbyon targets (including the hardened storage site). The closer fuel storage site was more tricky because the EO/IR penetrators couldn't pick up the site, so I had to use the GLONASS unitary bombs which took a whole lot more of them.

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US & Russian... - 3/19/2017 10:50:28 PM   
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Tailhook,

Great job!

Nice write-up. Very interesting.

Nice, and very successful tactics.

Doug

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 4/24/2017 8:18:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tailhook

Not sure how easy the Russian intervention makes the American effort. If I had initiated hostilities instead of letting the Americans do it I would have had a real interesting air war given the smaller amount of planes and reliance on SARH missiles. Probably would have made it a lot easier for them though if their jets can shoot them in the back. I think the AI is far from perfect though seeing as it lost a B-2 to a MiG and multiple 5th gen aircraft to fuel starvation.

I used the AS-4 Kitchen B Mod 3 to crack the Yongbyon targets (including the hardened storage site). The closer fuel storage site was more tricky because the EO/IR penetrators couldn't pick up the site, so I had to use the GLONASS unitary bombs which took a whole lot more of them.


Not really, I planned to wait for the Americans but two hours into the scenario decided to start the attacks with Russia. Although I got several air-to-air engagements, Russian missiles performed above average (even the SARH R-27s, in presence of NK jamming ). Downed all the MiG-21 (and equivalents) and -23s thrown to me, with no own losses. Then the yankees started their own show and things quitened a lot in Russian AOR.

I'm having the same problem with the Kr-1500 EO/TV penetrator, no way of targetting the fuel storage in Chungsinji, do you recommend to use the ASMs on board the Tu-22M3 and Tu-160?

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 4/25/2017 2:44:04 AM   
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I liked using the Kitchens how I did because they are pretty much untouchable by the North Koreans and you don't have to secure a heavily defended area. The fuel storage site can be tackled with unitary bombs, just need a few more. Use your subsonic cruise missiles as you see fit. The NK air defenses are less of a problem for Russia than the US.

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RE: Command Live! - Korean Missile Crisis [US Perspective] - 4/25/2017 6:41:54 AM   
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Thanks for the advice Tailhook, scenario just tells me that I've avoided a nuclear war, phew!

< Message edited by Galahad78 -- 4/25/2017 6:42:09 AM >

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