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Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 1:59:48 PM

jwolf

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How exactly is this determined? Or is it deliberately kept, at least to some extent, hidden? Does it depend only on your side's leader, or is there a comparison of some sort with the enemy leader as well?

In my latest turn in my game as Allies vs. Japanese AI, I had the following two combats, both deliberate attacks of one Allied division against various Japanese units:

1. At Temuloh (Malaya), 11th East African division, commanded by MGen Charles C. Fowkes
2. At Aitape (New Guinea), 25th US division, commanded by MGen Robert B. McClure

Their ratings are as follows, Fowkes first and McClure second:

Leadership 67 64
Inspiration 59 58
Admin 68 73
Aggression 42 61
Land 71 68

Fowkes got a leader bonus in his combat, while McClure got a penalty. I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference between them except in the aggression category where McClure is clearly superior. What's going on?

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 3:20:51 PM

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Not sure, but I opine:
- could be a comparison with the enemy's leadership and they had cracker-jack leaders in the 80s-90s. In naval battles the leaders are compared to determine things like initiative and crossing the "T".
- your leaders could have been on the disabled list from malaria. If 10% of your troops are listed as disabled, that should affect the leader 10% of the time.

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 4:25:29 PM

jwolf

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Ah, never thought of the malaria possibility. So McClure, who really looks at least decent if not pretty good, might be out of his mind with fever while his 2nd in command is a loser or an incompetent political "addition" to his staff.

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 6:56:54 PM

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I think (guess) the leader +/- does not apply to the unit leaders directly but indicates if there is an HQ present that gives you a boost (you would get a + in this case, if no HQ(s) you would get a -)

Ex, if you have a corpse HQ prepping for the target base in 1 hex distance and/or an army HQ which has I believe 5 hex range.

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 8:13:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

I think (guess) the leader +/- does not apply to the unit leaders directly but indicates if there is an HQ present that gives you a boost (you would get a + in this case, if no HQ(s) you would get a -)

Ex, if you have a corpse HQ prepping for the target base in 1 hex distance and/or an army HQ which has I believe 5 hex range.

Is that for a zombie division?

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/4/2017 8:44:35 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alpha77

I think (guess) the leader +/- does not apply to the unit leaders directly but indicates if there is an HQ present that gives you a boost (you would get a + in this case, if no HQ(s) you would get a -)

Ex, if you have a corpse HQ prepping for the target base in 1 hex distance and/or an army HQ which has I believe 5 hex range.

Is that for a zombie division?

Chinese troops.

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/5/2017 12:37:26 AM

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In my LCU AV tests that I described here, there were a couple observations:
1. Both leaders(+) and leaders(-) only showed up if there was no land HQ of any type in the hex. No matter preparation of HQs or LCUs.
2. With all commander stats at 60, leaders(+) was there in ~60% cases, and leaders(-) in ~40% cases. Could appear at the same time too, for the same LCU. Don't know which particular stat is related to the bonus frequency though

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RE: Leader bonus or penalty in ground combat - 9/6/2017 2:49:18 PM

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