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Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 3:31:39 AM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 3:44:23 AM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 6:32:35 AM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 11:07:52 AM   
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When I decided to join the German Bundeswehr in 1981 I would have liked to join the Navy, but because there were neither a CV nor a BB I joined the Army and became a tanker instead.

You dreaming of going back to Kursk.....

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 11:59:33 AM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 3:32:58 PM   
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Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.


Wouldn't Beda Fromm have been a useful study too.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 5:01:42 PM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 5:01:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Beda Fromm is not well-known in Germany. Maybe because it was the Italian, not the German armour which got a real thrashing there.
I specialised on the eastern front battles and later switched to the Pacific war and the Civil War. While there are lots of books in Germany available about the East, there are not too many about the Pacific or the Civil War, so 90% of my books are US and UK imports.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 6:06:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kursk1943

Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.

Yes, I know - quite fascinating. I'm cavalry myself (not any longer, though) but I never served in a tank unit.

Only recently I leafed through "Panzer Leader" for the umpteenth time. Stalingrad wasn't exactly tank terrain, still they were used extensively if Bevoor is to be believed. I just bought his "Stalingrad" in a (hardbound) Swedish translation on a flea market only because the original version I have is a softcover copy. I do not think the "Swedish" had even been read - 3 bucks. I'm not too happy with his book - a little too much space dedicated to how terrible it all was. As if that is needed.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 6:46:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my opinion the most recent and very best about Stalingrad is David M. Glantz Stalingrad trilogy, highly recommended!

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 8:07:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kursk1943

Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.

Yes, I know - quite fascinating. I'm cavalry myself (not any longer, though) but I never served in a tank unit.

Only recently I leafed through "Panzer Leader" for the umpteenth time. Stalingrad wasn't exactly tank terrain, still they were used extensively if Bevoor is to be believed. I just bought his "Stalingrad" in a (hardbound) Swedish translation on a flea market only because the original version I have is a softcover copy. I do not think the "Swedish" had even been read - 3 bucks. I'm not too happy with his book - a little too much space dedicated to how terrible it all was. As if that is needed.

Fred

Think future generations who might read it without already knowing.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 9:08:54 PM   
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but because there were neither a CV nor a BB I joined the Army and became a tanker instead.


How many barrels?

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 10:19:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kursk1943

Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.

Yes, I know - quite fascinating. I'm cavalry myself (not any longer, though) but I never served in a tank unit.

Only recently I leafed through "Panzer Leader" for the umpteenth time. Stalingrad wasn't exactly tank terrain, still they were used extensively if Bevoor is to be believed. I just bought his "Stalingrad" in a (hardbound) Swedish translation on a flea market only because the original version I have is a softcover copy. I do not think the "Swedish" had even been read - 3 bucks. I'm not too happy with his book - a little too much space dedicated to how terrible it all was. As if that is needed.

Fred


Tankers are Cavalry, think Heavy Cavalry with all that armor used as shock troops. Modern cavalry is more like the native Indian Scouts who looked around in Montana and told Custer "If you go down there and attack that village, you will die" or something like that.

Dumb A$$ Tankers (DATs) need Scouts to tell them where to go, and who to shoot.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 10:25:04 PM   
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but because there were neither a CV nor a BB I joined the Army and became a tanker instead.


How many barrels?


One barrel can sometimes be more than enough, especially when they try to fire with 2 feet of packed dirt at the end of the barrel. A 105mm steel orchid. The crew inside the turret was lucky that the breach held . . .


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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 10:47:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kursk1943

Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.

Yes, I know - quite fascinating. I'm cavalry myself (not any longer, though) but I never served in a tank unit.

Only recently I leafed through "Panzer Leader" for the umpteenth time. Stalingrad wasn't exactly tank terrain, still they were used extensively if Bevoor is to be believed. I just bought his "Stalingrad" in a (hardbound) Swedish translation on a flea market only because the original version I have is a softcover copy. I do not think the "Swedish" had even been read - 3 bucks. I'm not too happy with his book - a little too much space dedicated to how terrible it all was. As if that is needed.

Fred


Tankers are Cavalry, think Heavy Cavalry with all that armor used as shock troops. Modern cavalry is more like the native Indian Scouts who looked around in Montana and told Custer "If you go down there and attack that village, you will die" or something like that.

Dumb A$$ Tankers (DATs) need Scouts to tell them where to go, and who to shoot.



Hey now, what's this DAT bashing I hear going on? Is that coming from a Crunchy? Oh yes, the ongoing rivalry between armor and cav scouts. I never stuck my 105mm barrel into a berm, thank you very much, although I did get the whole tank stuck in a very muddy hole once and had to be towed out.

BTW, Beevor's book is good, and so is Craig's "Enemy at the Gates." I have Glantz's trilogy but haven't read it yet.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/4/2020 11:05:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kursk1943

Not exactly dreaming of, but the Kursk battle is the one (besides Stalingrad), which I studied most intensively both as having been a tanker and still being an enthusiastic amateur historian.

Yes, I know - quite fascinating. I'm cavalry myself (not any longer, though) but I never served in a tank unit.

Only recently I leafed through "Panzer Leader" for the umpteenth time. Stalingrad wasn't exactly tank terrain, still they were used extensively if Bevoor is to be believed. I just bought his "Stalingrad" in a (hardbound) Swedish translation on a flea market only because the original version I have is a softcover copy. I do not think the "Swedish" had even been read - 3 bucks. I'm not too happy with his book - a little too much space dedicated to how terrible it all was. As if that is needed.

Fred


Tankers are Cavalry, think Heavy Cavalry with all that armor used as shock troops. Modern cavalry is more like the native Indian Scouts who looked around in Montana and told Custer "If you go down there and attack that village, you will die" or something like that.

Dumb A$$ Tankers (DATs) need Scouts to tell them where to go, and who to shoot.



Hey now, what's this DAT bashing I hear going on? Is that coming from a Crunchy? Oh yes, the ongoing rivalry between armor and cav scouts. I never stuck my 105mm barrel into a berm, thank you very much, although I did get the whole tank stuck in a very muddy hole once and had to be towed out.

BTW, Beevor's book is good, and so is Craig's "Enemy at the Gates." I have Glantz's trilogy but haven't read it yet.

Hurrah for the Poor Bloody Infantry!




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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 3:13:30 AM   
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When I decided to join the German Bundeswehr in 1981 I would have liked to join the Navy, but because there were neither a CV nor a BB I joined the Army and became a tanker instead.

My father was a tanker in Korea. I went to join the Army but the recruiter was busy. So I joined the Navy. First person in my family tree to be non-army. Blacksheep me.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 9:27:22 AM   
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Dumb A$$ Tankers (DATs) need Scouts to tell them where to go, and who to shoot.


Stupid Scouts still don't get it that the only reason they are being sent ahead of the tanks is for triggering mines, IEDs, ambushes etc. so that the tanks can follow without fear for their more expensive vehicles and more valuable crews .

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 10:21:17 AM   
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Did he have better stats than CAPT Farley?


Yes. Yes he did.

CRSutton has the genes, afterall.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 10:28:37 AM   
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My grandfather took a ride on this ship Seattle to Brisbane,


My great uncle took a ride on a transport to Singapore in about January '42.

Poor bastard.

Died on the railway.


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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 12:48:30 PM   
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My grandfather took a ride on this ship Seattle to Brisbane,


My great uncle took a ride on a transport to Singapore in about January '42.

Poor bastard.

Died on the railway.




One reason why I don't have heart to send 18th UK Div there and always try to ship out 2 Ozzie brigades to form 8th AUS Div later.

I know it's a game...but knowing the history...

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 1:26:37 PM   
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My grandfather took a ride on this ship Seattle to Brisbane,


My great uncle took a ride on a transport to Singapore in about January '42.

Poor bastard.

Died on the railway.




One reason why I don't have heart to send 18th UK Div there and always try to ship out 2 Ozzie brigades to form 8th AUS Div later.

I know it's a game...but knowing the history...


Not only that, the 18th UK Division is not that well trained and by that time, the end was near. They would have been better off going to Java. At the end, they could have formed an enclave with the US units and tried to evacuate the men instead of surrendering.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 1:33:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Alistair McLean's South by Java Head is a novel (fiction) but a superbly told tale about the evacuation from Singapore. In his early years, when he had his game on, McLean was terrific. Historical fiction can do a great job of putting a reader in a place and time.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 2:10:26 PM   
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Alistair McLean's South by Java Head is a novel (fiction) but a superbly told tale about the evacuation from Singapore. In his early years, when he had his game on, McLean was terrific. Historical fiction can do a great job of putting a reader in a place and time.


I consider Michael Shaara's Killer Angels to be one of the finest examples of this genre.

After his death, his son took up the mantel and wrote several historical novels on the Revolutionary War.

I have them all buried away in boxes somewhere. Might need to dig them out and give them all a reread.

I just did a search on Jeff Shaara and discovered he continued a rather prolific output after I stopped following him and has written on quite a few more subjects:

https://www.google.com/search?q=jeff+shaara+books&rlz=1C1ASUM_enUS688US688&oq=jeff+shaars&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l7.4685j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 2:43:44 PM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 3:02:43 PM   
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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 3:11:57 PM   
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P.S. Sorry, Ross, for hijacking your thread. As with many hijacks, I started reading from the end rather than from the beginning. Good to see you posting again!

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 4:04:08 PM   
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My grandfather took a ride on this ship Seattle to Brisbane,


My great uncle took a ride on a transport to Singapore in about January '42.

Poor bastard.

Died on the railway.

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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 9:04:22 PM   
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Is she the sister of Jim Morrison?

"In 1963, Morrison took command of the Essex-class aircraft carrier USS Bon Homme Richard, flagship of a 3rd Fleet Carrier Division in the Pacific, and based at Naval Air Station Alameda, California. Morrison was in command of the Carrier Division during the controversial Gulf of Tonkin Incident in August 1964, which resulted effectively in the true beginning of the Vietnam War by President Lyndon Johnson"

https://www.wearethemighty.com/music/jim-morrisons-dad-had-a-hand-in-starting-the-vietnam-war


Jim and his dad Radm. Morrison on the bridge of Bon Homme Richard.




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RE: Learn something new! - 2/5/2020 10:05:11 PM   
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