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Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor" i... - 6/11/2020 4:12:28 PM

ydmatrix2

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For an example, two leaders (governor and advisor), from same faction (so similar profile preferences) and with as close a personality as you can get in the game.

And yet, attaching the advisor to the governor results in a [-20] governor relation penalty: "Penalty for friction with Advisor or Attached Leader", which is very high, and hurts the governors performance rather than helping.

I've tried this for multiple combinations of leaders, and the penalty always made attaching an Advisor of very questionable benefit.

The stats for this example were:
Governor: Emotional (28), Egoism (56), Heroic (32), Witty (47), Ambition (82), Corruption (0), Authority (49). Fist [-], Heart [+++], Government [-]
Advisor: Emotional (25), Egoism (58), Heroic (25), Witty (37), Ambition (81), Corruption (0), Authority (68). Militia [+], Heart [++], Enforcement [++].

Game Build Version: 1.02 - 8th June

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/11/2020 4:29:19 PM

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Yeah, cabinet leaders do not like an interloper constantly looking over their shoulder, I've noticed. So what I've been doing is just spending the 1pp to detach the advisor, right after I use them for the roll they need to help out on. Then if they are needed again on a later turn, 2pp to re-attach them. Do their thing, then detach (etc) ...

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/11/2020 4:58:15 PM

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Leader: "Ok Advisor, you gotta get in there and help with this one task then head back"
Advisor: "No matter what I do, he ****ing hates my guts..."
Leader: "It's ok, you'll be back right after you help his simple mind find a metal deposit"

Ect ect...

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/26/2020 5:59:29 PM

actrade

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Yes, I don't understand what good the advisor is other than to assist on one important role. It seems he ALWAYS is a -20 or more drag on the leader relation.

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/26/2020 6:14:27 PM

EuchreJack

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I've generally seen around -11 penalty. Seems worthwhile on the normal, behind-the-scenes skill uses, such as admin and technician for the council leaders.

There is also the fact that an attached Advisor will skill up in those skills used by the job, whereas they won't skill up in those skills if they are not attached to anyone (generally, although there is a rare chance they'll skill up in something useful hoping for a promotion, but that is random). So, if you are grooming your Advisor as a future council leader, attaching them to a similar council's leader so they can develop is a good move. Best example is military council and economic council, but most councils use the Admin skill for something.

Also, there tends to be an overlap between the skills of the economic council and the zone governor, so if you aren't going to be promoting your first zone governor to the economic council, consider if your advisor would be a good candidate, and if so attach them on turn one to your governor. They will likely pick up some useful skills.

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/26/2020 6:26:49 PM

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Advisors should not have high Authority. You said a -20 Penalty?
Well, the Adivsor Authority is almost 20 points higher then the governors!

However the whole argument is pretty irrelevant, since you are still running 1.02.
1.04 is about to come out! 1.02 Discussion really do not help at all. Every single measurement you can make, could have been invalidated a month ago.

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RE: Current "Penalty for friction with Advisor&quo... - 6/27/2020 12:43:40 AM

EuchreJack

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quote:

ORIGINAL: zgrssd

Advisors should not have high Authority. You said a -20 Penalty?
Well, the Adivsor Authority is almost 20 points higher then the governors!

However the whole argument is pretty irrelevant, since you are still running 1.02.
1.04 is about to come out! 1.02 Discussion really do not help at all. Every single measurement you can make, could have been invalidated a month ago.

Well to be fair, the original post was June 8th, this topic is pretty old actually. It's not the original poster's fault this got dredged up.
...and you forgot to mention that Government [-] and Enforcement [++] are hardly similar profile preferences.

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