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I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/26/2020 12:10:02 PM   
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(Of course this is not valid for famous flag-raising and other historical events).










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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/26/2020 12:49:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Many famous war photos were staged or re-enactments, like the Iwo Jima flag raising. Don't know if that applies to the ones pictured.

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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/26/2020 1:11:11 PM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/26/2020 2:21:28 PM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/27/2020 4:25:04 PM   
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And I would have thought that the copyright had expired by now.

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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/28/2020 3:15:07 AM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/28/2020 6:12:29 PM   
RFalvo69


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ORIGINAL: Orm

I thought it was the one taking the pictures that got the royalties.

And I would have thought that the copyright had expired by now.

The "model" has the right to some royalties too. Your personal appearance is copyrighted: it can't be used in association with something that makes money without a royalties agreement (even if there are cases where this doesn't apply; journalism, for example, or a history book).

As an amateur photographer, the intricacies of copyright law are part of the things I need to know should I sell a picture I took. Just to underline how complex they are, think about this: the Tour Eiffel at night is copyrighted.

https://petapixel.com/2017/10/14/photos-eiffel-tower-night-illegal/

Anyway, I hope, too, that these people survived the war. However, I would be a bit miffed should I see a picture of me (taken, BTW, amid terrible events) being used for commercial purposes. I have the first picture from on my copy of "The Forgotten Soldier" to an unnumbered wargames' covers and artwork (this guy is usually used in connection with some dire situation for Germany: the Cobra breakout, the collapse of Army Group Center, Last standing in Berlin and such...)

If you are curious about the matter, here is a link (it was this video who made me wonder again about something I actually wonder about since I bought my copy of "Cross of Iron" when I was a kid). Pro Tip: the winners are the lawyers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUEbi4r8Pg0&ab_channel=Tony%26ChelseaNorthrup

Edit: The copyright expires 70 years after the death of the creator(s). If the first German soldier AND who took his picture died during the Battle of the Bulge, then the expiration date for that picture was December 2014. If one or both survived, for, let's say, ten more years, then their estate can claim copyright until 2024.

Edit2: But there is a catch! If something you have copyright on is used illegally but unchallenged ***and you know about it but you don't act***, then it is implied by you that you have renounced your copyright claims, and the "ouvre" is now copyright free. In Paris they actually have "La Société d’Exploitation de la Tour Eiffel" whose job is to protect the copyright on the tower.

A fun and crazy world for sure.

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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/30/2020 8:37:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Last one is definitely dead. Politruk Yeremenko, killed a few minutes after the picture was taken. Leading -possibly- some sort of counterattack in the summer of 1942 aka a dangerous time for the red army in the general direction of Stalingrad.

70 years? And the heir/s?

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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/30/2020 9:20:16 PM   
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I cannot come up with a Japanese soldier or airman as "famous" offhand, but I bet you guys can find an image or two!

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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 9/30/2020 9:33:53 PM   
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I cannot come up with a Japanese soldier or airman as "famous" offhand, but I bet you guys can find an image or two!


In Japanese culture, it's more about the group than the individual.


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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/1/2020 2:58:55 AM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/1/2020 3:02:57 AM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/1/2020 9:14:22 AM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/1/2020 10:28:20 AM   
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*the guy of the flag over the Reichstag, a fine artist




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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/1/2020 11:54:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first photo is often referred to as "Winter Fritz". Various names have been thrown around for this guy and most have been proved incorrect.

This link discusses it.

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=242511

From that page...

"That said: the background of the photograph itself isn't "vague" at all. It was taken by SS PK-Berichter Max Büschel on the 18th of December 1944 on the stretch of road between Recht and Poteau. The previous afternoon photographer Büschel and newsreel filmer Schäfer left Rollbahn D at Honsfeld to accompany the Stabskompanie (staff company) of SS-PzAA1 as they drove over Heppenbach and Amel to reach the village of Born in the afternoon where they linked up with the rest of schnelle Gruppe Knittel (which had used Rollbahn E) and remained there for the night.

The Stabskompanie left Born in the morning of the 18th and drove over Kaiserbaracke - where the 2. (le.SPW) and 3. (VW) Kompanie had secured the crossroads - to the village of Recht where Knittel met with Hansen. IMO, that's how photographer Büschel, cameraman Schäfer, Knittel's aide Stiewe and those 234's carrying soldiers from the Fahrradzug ended up at the famous "ambush scene" near Poteau. While the meeting between Knittel and Hansen took place, I think the Stabskompanie drove up the road to Poteau to prepare their further advance behind Hansen's battlegroup. As the men waited for Knittel and new orders, Büschel took advantage of them loitering around to take pics of them advancing and "attacking" up the road towards the "ambush scene" where they came across some of Hansen's grenadiers who were also photographed.

But while Knittel talked with Hansen he received orders from Mohnke: Peiper had managed a breakthrough at Stavelot and the Schnelle Gruppe was to follow him to La Gleize. Goltz, the 234's and their passengers from the Fahrradzug doubled back over Recht to Kaiserbaracke and so did Büschel with Goltz and his men - resulting in the photos of Hansen's Jagdpanzer's moving up, of Hansen's Grille's in action near Recht followed by the pics taken at Kaiserbaracke where members of the 3. (VW) Kompanie acted out the famous Schwimmwagen pics. The Sd.Kfz. 250's from the 2. (le.SPW) Kompanie can be seen in the background. Note that the first pics Büschel took at the Kaiserbaracke crossroads show Goltz in his Schwimmwagen.

After Büschel and Schäfer left Kaiserbaracke they caught up with Knittel in la Vaulx Richard."



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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/6/2020 9:59:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Neilster
The first photo is often referred to as "Winter Fritz". Various names have been thrown around for this guy and most have been proved incorrect.




I heard it like this on some forum, maybe even this one.

The man migrated to the USA. He married, had children and grand children. He didn't tell his family about the photo till not long before he died. It was after he died that his story came to light. That's it.


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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/7/2020 9:45:31 AM   
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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/7/2020 12:19:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Neilster
The first photo is often referred to as "Winter Fritz". Various names have been thrown around for this guy and most have been proved incorrect.




I heard it like this on some forum, maybe even this one.

The man migrated to the USA. He married, had children and grand children. He didn't tell his family about the photo till not long before he died. It was after he died that his story came to light. That's it.



But that's my point. None of these stories about Walter Ambrusch (who apparently it isn't) or Hans Tragarsky have been verified.


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RE: I wonder if these dudes ever got some royalties... - 10/8/2020 8:08:13 AM   
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The man migrated to the USA. He married, had children and grand children. He didn't tell his family about the photo till not long before he died. It was after he died that his story came to light. That's it.

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