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I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/8/2021 4:02:19 PM   
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Hello,

A very quick question: I have run out of pilot replacements for the soviets (and they're not active yet.....), in order to have more I need to wait the next month right?

Admittedly, I have exaggerated in lowering my training requirements for the soviets. My complete fault in not having checked the replacements for them and assuming they were dozens of thousands just like the other main nations.

I've never run out of replacements, and now I have started thinking how does the game deal with it. It has quite many implications for the Japanese (and, evidently, some for the allies if you are playing the turn in nightime half drunk as I did).


If I understand well, what is stated in this thread is no longer valid, isn't it? (THREAD: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2979196&mpage=3&key= )

At this point, what's the latest up to date topic on the subject?





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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/8/2021 5:16:32 PM   
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Frankly, I don't think it's possible to ruin the Soviets. By the time they enter the fray, the Allies are usually already beating a dead horse.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/8/2021 7:24:31 PM   
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in order to have more I need to wait the next month right?

Yes, the kids will arrive to the primary school

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/8/2021 7:38:02 PM   
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in order to have more I need to wait the next month right?

Yes, the kids will arrive to the primary school




Many thanks! I've never run out of a replacements pool, guess there is a first time for everything

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:40:45 AM   
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in order to have more I need to wait the next month right?

Yes, the kids will arrive to the primary school




Many thanks! I've never run out of a replacements pool, guess there is a first time for everything

If you really want to ensure some units are fully staffed you can withdraw some squadrons and keep the pilots to put in other squadrons. I don't have any extra pilots assigned to the soviet squadrons - whatever the number of aircraft they have is the number of pilots they get. And they all train at 100% but Soviet training is not as good as western nations so advancement of skills is slower.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:57:24 AM   
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If you really want to ensure some units are fully staffed you can withdraw some squadrons and keep the pilots to put in other squadrons.

Why, he has a whole reserve pool of basic-trained Soviets. He can train them a bit better

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:08:37 AM   
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If you really want to ensure some units are fully staffed you can withdraw some squadrons and keep the pilots to put in other squadrons.

Why, he has a whole reserve pool of basic-trained Soviets. He can train them a bit better




Thanks to you all for the suggestions.

Those in reserve are well trained, now I will "process" this bunch of pilots and see in few months were I am. Main issue is the low number of replacements I do get, but I suppose I'll have to live with that.


Eventually, instead of withdrawing sqaudrons, I'd rather pull out of the groups the extra pilots and then pull them again out of the reserve.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:23:51 AM   
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Why, he has a whole reserve pool of basic-trained Soviets. He can train them a bit better

Those in reserve are well trained,

You mean xp/air/def for fighters and xp/grd/Nav for bombers all 70+? Not to mention torpedo bombers that russians have

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:24:04 AM   
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The Soviet pilot replacement rate is not low. It is in fact the third highest nationality replacement rate.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:49:15 AM   
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I only got to play with the Soviets for six weeks (1 Aug '45 to mid-Sept '45). I had done the basic training in two skills for both fighter and bomber pilots. But that only brings up your overall experience levels just so far. To bring it up any more, you need to train them up in a third skill. Also plan on using your fighters for CAP and escort missions as their range is very short even after airframe upgrades.

Note - their army is just plain nasty.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:59:39 AM   
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I can't see any better plan than training Soviet fighter group drivers on air-air, and bomber group drivers on air ground for about a year. Then train them all on low ground. Then just go to general training. You get reinforcing airgroups to fill out to get the nuggets on map.

Three years later in about mid-late 1944, you will probably be able to shift a mass of pilots to reserve, and empty the recruit pools again into on map training (I suspect that pushing the newbies into low ground training with the Sturmoviks is best policy).

I have actually switched some of the DB3 torpedo bombers to navT in about 1943, but it really is a waste of time.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 1:34:14 PM   
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I can't see any better plan than training Soviet fighter group drivers on air-air, and bomber group drivers on air ground for about a year. Then train them all on low ground. Then just go to general training. You get reinforcing airgroups to fill out to get the nuggets on map.

Three years later in about mid-late 1944, you will probably be able to shift a mass of pilots to reserve, and empty the recruit pools again into on map training (I suspect that pushing the newbies into low ground training with the Sturmoviks is best policy).

I have actually switched some of the DB3 torpedo bombers to navT in about 1943, but it really is a waste of time.


I am already in mid-44 (06/APR/1944)

Since I have the same idea with the stumoviks, I think I've started re-pulling some pilots in order to give them better LowG stats (they're already quite ok though).




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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 1:36:06 PM   
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I only got to play with the Soviets for six weeks (1 Aug '45 to mid-Sept '45). I had done the basic training in two skills for both fighter and bomber pilots. But that only brings up your overall experience levels just so far. To bring it up any more, you need to train them up in a third skill. Also plan on using your fighters for CAP and escort missions as their range is very short even after airframe upgrades.

Note - their army is just plain nasty.



Thanks. I think I've just done a dumb distraction mistake about the pilots but it shouldn't be that bad in the end. I have more than one year replacements coming through.


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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 4:30:49 PM   
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The Soviet pilot replacement rate is not low. It is in fact the third highest nationality replacement rate.

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Right- I did not note the date in his game. In 1941-42 is when I found there were not enough pilots to man the available aircraft. By 1943 that is nearly redressed, although the IL-2s come at a terrific rate and I do not have enough units to use them all.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 4:59:00 PM   
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The Soviet pilot replacement rate is not low. It is in fact the third highest nationality replacement rate.

Alfred

Right- I did not note the date in his game. In 1941-42 is when I found there were not enough pilots to man the available aircraft. By 1943 that is nearly redressed, although the IL-2s come at a terrific rate and I do not have enough units to use them all.



I have been simply drunk and superficial when I decided it was time to do the soviet training, not noting the insane amount of pilots drained in the process.


Out of curiosity, I did the math of the monthly replacement rate and the number of a/c currently on map. It doesn't take into consideration groups lost during the campaign (for obvious reasons) and the fact that many groups might be understrength.

RESULTS:
USN: 735/month - 1412+2436 = 3848 - 3848/735= 5.23
USArmy: 345/month - 2715+445 = 3160 - 3160/345 = 9.16
URSS: 195/month - 2726+0 = 2726 - 2726/195 = 13.98
Brits: 160/month -for 352+401 =753 - 753/160 = 3.58
USMC: 105/month - 970+51 = 1021 - 1021/105 = 9.72
Australian: 55/month - 689+9 = 698 - 698/55 = 12.69
Chinese: 32/month - 0+0 = 0 - N/A
Kiwi: 25/month - 127+19 = 146 - 146/25 = 5.84
Canada: 15/month - 118+0 = 118 - 118/15 = 7.87
Indian: 10/month - 48+0 = 48 - 48/10 = 4.80

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 5:06:34 PM   
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The Soviet pilot replacement rate is not low. It is in fact the third highest nationality replacement rate.

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Only in ‘44 and ‘45. Before that, they’re behind the British and US Marines - and in ‘42, they’re even behind the Australians, and not far above NZ. This is not Chinese- or Canadian-level low, but they have many more squadrons to fly.

They start the game with around 2000 planes, a pilot pool of 420 and will receive 600 replacement pilots during ‘42, and slightly over 1000 during ‘43. Well, luckily for them, they don’t get much more replacement planes before ‘44 either, and a plane rarely returns to base with its pilot killed, ready to embark another pilot...

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 5:31:35 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 6:00:18 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

If they were any weaker, every Japanese player would attack them in Summer ‘42.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 6:42:36 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

If they were any weaker, every Japanese player would attack them in Summer ‘42.


Unless the Japanese can really take all of Australia and/or India, they should take on the Soviets. The Soviets can't move their starting forces and it should be easy to break the Siberian Railway line.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 6:58:09 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

If they were any weaker, every Japanese player would attack them in Summer ‘42.


Unless the Japanese can really take all of Australia and/or India, they should take on the Soviets. The Soviets can't move their starting forces and it should be easy to break the Siberian Railway line.



Thought at that many times. However, what's the price? And what are the benefits?

URSS is poor of economic value and for sure fighting the russians all along the match is not that easy even if you have a great start and you push them far back in '42.


I don't even know whether it's feasible in normal Scen01. Don't think so, even if the other player is a complete newbie at the first PBEM.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 7:21:23 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

If they were any weaker, every Japanese player would attack them in Summer ‘42.


Unless the Japanese can really take all of Australia and/or India, they should take on the Soviets. The Soviets can't move their starting forces and it should be easy to break the Siberian Railway line.



Thought at that many times. However, what's the price? And what are the benefits?

URSS is poor of economic value and for sure fighting the russians all along the match is not that easy even if you have a great start and you push them far back in '42.


I don't even know whether it's feasible in normal Scen01. Don't think so, even if the other player is a complete newbie at the first PBEM.

IMO, the Japanese should only take on the Soviets if they have no HR about moving units across borders without playing PP. They can then move masses of troops from Manchukuo and China to do the deed. The proximity to Japan for getting supply and other support is another incentive for the Japanese.

Taking on the Russians with their unrestricted units means the Japanese have to forego some easier targets elsewhere.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 7:22:07 PM   
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Regarding the soviets they seem to me much to strong in 41/42 plus perhaps also 43. Talking about the army they suffered still from Stalins purges, a re-organization in effect, lack of all kinds of motor vehicles like tractors, prime movers etc., lack of artillery, lack of officers and NCOs. Lack of ammo (!) most units were way under their TOE esp. for guns, trucks,ammo. This is the info for the western forces but it shoudl also be true for the eastern ones or even more so. Or was Stalin more afraid of the Japanese ? And kept eastern front in better shape?

Eg. 37mm AA many units having only half of these and than again half of the ammo. Even the common 76 fields guns suffered from this. 120mm mortars were just only coming in filling out TOE. (simplified I have more exact numbers): Also if a unit has 100 tanks only 60-70% operable, cause repair shops and and maintenance personell also rare..

Edit, small article shows even manpower was not as great as commonly believed: https://warontherocks.com/2016/07/was-the-russian-military-a-steamroller-from-world-war-ii-to-today/

If they were any weaker, every Japanese player would attack them in Summer ‘42.


Unless the Japanese can really take all of Australia and/or India, they should take on the Soviets. The Soviets can't move their starting forces and it should be easy to break the Siberian Railway line.



Thought at that many times. However, what's the price? And what are the benefits?

URSS is poor of economic value and for sure fighting the russians all along the match is not that easy even if you have a great start and you push them far back in '42.


I don't even know whether it's feasible in normal Scen01. Don't think so, even if the other player is a complete newbie at the first PBEM.


Well, you get to use the entire KMT military before the Soviets have been built up. Depending upon the timing, you can do it right before, during, or after reinforcements arrive or units depart. Doing so before the Soviet air units are trained and with many replacements available really neutralizes the Soviet Air Force.

Depending upon whether or not China is taken out, many units from China may also participate as well by attacking into Mongolia and even to Alma Alta.

The IJN can be used to invade bases while the Allied navies are still weak, then can go silent on the defence. By using the Navy to take bases along the coast and then invading up a river, the IL-2 factory can be captured, severely reducing the numbers of those aircraft. By fully holding Sakhalin, the Japanese get more oil/fuel and it may even ship to the mainland. If other Resources and Oil migrate that way as well, it can save the expense and danger of shipping it as well.

By capturing bases where Soviet Naval ships start at, does that not make them destroyed as well? So those small ports that have Resources/Oil as well as starting ships should be grabbed on the first day as well. This will also reduce the chance of the Allies shipping supplies in to the Soviets. This can also destroy any air units that are there a well.

Without having to keep the Manchukuo garrison requirements, the Japanese Army can then be spread out even more for defensive purposes plus having more supply generation available which would be far from the Allied 4E bombers.

Think if there was a mod that had a package of nice things for the Japanese starting to arrive at the main Soviet supply base - like new armoured units, 40mm and 37mm AAA guns from the Germans? As well as new device types - could you imagine IJA Stug III F/Gs and/or Hetzers? Think of those on defense, dug in against Shermans - or Stuarts!

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 8:57:30 PM   
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If you just attack the Soviets and do not attack the British, Dutch, or Americans what happens game wise.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 9:12:40 PM   
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I do not know but I would wait to attack the Soviets in the Spring.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:03:21 PM   
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If you just attack the Soviets and do not attack the British, Dutch, or Americans what happens game wise.

You will run out of oil and fuel in like a year

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:29:42 PM   
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If you just attack the Soviets and do not attack the British, Dutch, or Americans what happens game wise.

You will run out of oil and fuel in like a year


There seems to be NOTHING of interest for the Japanese, I found 2 small oilfields in reach and a bunch of resources (which would not be needed if most of China is taken)....

Except the "Soviet Union" base in the far north with 1400 LI

Only reason would be to have some mayhem or if Japanese like snow, ice, tundras and wodka

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Conquering the USSR is not that hard, if you can use the Manchukuo troops without paying PPs (which, frankly, would be logical, as the reason of their presence there is to hold the line against the Soviets, should the war start). As Joe said, the Soviets are badly placed to resist an invasion (which is why it could be argued to activate the Soviets one month before the invasion, to allow the Allied player a better placement).

Economically, there are not that many reasons to invade Siberia. Apart from a few HI/LI and ressources, you get 80 Oil centers (which start damaged, on Sakhalin).

The real advantage is the number of victory points you can get, from the planes (2000 planes at game start, which are mostly outdated), some ships arriving on activation in ports which can rapidly get under fire, to a lot of LCU’s whose destruction can be engineered (several thousands of VP’s). Plus the base VP’s (Vladivostok is worth 630 to the IJ, without further building - up to 810 when built to the max).

The main problems you face are :
- the supply consumption to conduct the invasion : the Soviet forces may have slightly under average XP (except the border forts and a couple of elite units), and the ‘41 rifle squads’ firepower is weaker than the IJA squads, but they still have over 10.000 AV overall (and possibly way over that, depending on how much time you let them rest to repair the disable devices), and most of the Soviet bases start with several fort levels, as high as 9 for Vladivostok (and, again, if you wait until the Summer to attack, it can increase - even if it is a Cold Weather zone, there are many engineers). Plus, most of the combat units start with 25, 50 or 100 preparation for their current location, and few bad leaders (even more very good leaders than bad ones). So, if it is not that hard IMHO, it still takes time and a significant drain on the available troops and supply, and you may find yourself short at critical times, on every theater of operations, in late ‘42 or early ‘43.
- you can’t take too much time, as the Soviets’ replacement rates, notably for infantry but also artillery, is rather decent, which is another reason why you need to commit enough forces.
- in order to successfully invade, you have to keep the tanks, engineers and artillery you would have sent to China, thereby limiting the potential of your offensives in that theater ; if you wait until you’ve completed the conquest of China, it means you won’t attack the Soviets before Spring ‘43, thereby facing very high fort levels and a generally higher XP levels, especially amongst the air units.
- a lot of submarines will appear, and they have working torpedoes : if the Allied player manages to evacuate them, for use in the SRA or in the Pacific, the submarine threat in ‘42-‘43 just dramatically increased
- 2000 mostly out-dated planes with XP between 45 and 50 may get shot down easily and provide XP for your pilots, but it’ll take time - and the over 700 Heavy and Medium Bombers are still in range of some of your industry (and several Oil Centers). You have to field a significant portion of the IJAAF to sweep the skies of Siberia clean. Every squadron facing the Soviets is a squadron which isn’t flying over Burma/India or Australia/NG/SoPac...

So, in the end, it is possible, but one should not venture in Siberia lightly, as an afterthought. If pursuing the usual strategy of buying the best Manchukuo garrison units (tanks, artillery, the couple of high-XP infantry divisions) and pushing the air war in the skies of Burma and Oz, committing the IJAAF & IJNAF majorly, an invasion of USSR is ill-advised. But, if the goal of invading Siberia is pursued fully, the issue of the campaign is not in doubt (

And an experienced Allied player will quickly notice the lack of Manchukuo garrison units in China or other theaters, and will understand what’s going to happen. If you don’t have a house rule to activate the Soviets before the attack, you probably don’t have a rule prohibiting the use of US 4E bombers from Soviet bases either (when I look at AAR’s, those two rules usually go hand in hand). But even if you do, it may be the signal for the Allies to go on the offensive in Burma or NG early, given the drain on assets and supplies due to the Siberian campaign.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:43:58 PM   
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If you just attack the Soviets and do not attack the British, Dutch, or Americans what happens game wise.

You will run out of oil and fuel in like a year


There seems to be NOTHING of interest for the Japanese, I found 2 small oilfields in reach and a bunch of resources (which would not be needed if most of China is taken)....

Except the "Soviet Union" base in the far north with 1400 LI

Only reason would be to have some mayhem or if Japanese like snow, ice, tundras and wodka

The Soviet Union base is off-map.

Attacking the Soviets in December ‘41, instead of the British, Dutch and Americans, is not advisable. It’s Winter, and it’s as dreadful as Lord Eddard foretold. Plus, as said, you’ll run out of oil and fuel in a year, while every month spent not attacking the Allies sees them reinforcing their positions. Even if you managed to complete the conquest of Siberia in four months (I doubt it), a few division’s worth of troops will have arrived in the Philippines, in Malaya, in the DEI, with several dozen squadrons of fighters and bombers who will have had time to train to reach a skill & XP level very close to 70/70, with supply stockpiles in Singapore and Manila deep enough to last the whole war, and fort levels at minimum 6 everywhere.

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 10:57:34 PM   
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If a person were to plan on taking out the Soviets, I would suggest taking no more than the normal defensive perimeter other than the Aleutians/Alaska while building defenses around Vladivostok while preparing for the attack on the Soviet Union.

Depending upon the HRs and how you play with the air units and the economy, the IJN can supersize many land based air units. While Vals are not the best bomber, they will operate off a level 2 airfield and on the initial strikes against certain ground units, they should be effective enough. The Kates are better with a larger bomb load. Those would be good for the initial strikes against ground units on the first turn, then they can be turned against the Soviet Navy. Even Nates could be used to strafe and bomb certain ground units on the first turn. Then the Japanese paratroopers drop in for a visit, cutting the Trans Siberian Railway . . .

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RE: I think I ruined the soviets.... - 2/9/2021 11:09:58 PM   
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Most of the LCU’s are in a good defensive terrain, and with forts. Even supersized Val and Kate squadrons won’t do much - plus, you need to train all those pilots and build the planes, so it won’t be done early, and then the fort levels will be even higher (with far less disabled squads too).

The best option IMHO for the initial air strike, is a multitude of airfield strikes. Destroy the Soviet Air Force on the ground, they don’t have the replacement rates to afford the losses.

However (there’s always a « however »), beware the flak - the Soviets have many guns.

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