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Production - 5/17/2021 5:09:01 PM

tyronec

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Can someone explain what these are showing.
I seem to be producing 29 Oil, and looking around the map that seems as if it might be correct. Convoys are below capacity. But the Oil production is only 5.

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RE: Production - 5/17/2021 5:18:51 PM

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Are the oil sites damaged? It looks like you took DEI oil sites by force rather than forcing the surrender which causes them to be fully sabotaged.

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RE: Production - 5/17/2021 5:28:23 PM

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NEI blew their oilfields up. You should be capturing oil as your first priority.

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RE: Production - 5/17/2021 5:31:21 PM

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The thing is, it's actually counterproductive to capture the oil sites. Just drop two marine divisions off at Batavia to make the DEI surrender and you get it all undamaged.

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RE: Production - 5/17/2021 5:44:56 PM

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OK, thanks. Will have another look when my turn comes around.

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RE: Production - 5/17/2021 11:11:53 PM

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@Tyronec
The right side of your screen image only indicates trade that you should be getting and not what is received. Click on the trade icon and the supply icon on the top of your screen. This will indicate if there are any broken links (rail damage on land by partisans/scrorched eath or the fields themselves damaged) with the damage icon that appears on the map. If you hover your mouse over the fields, the bottom left will also show if there is any damaged. Sub and raider attacks can also sink oil resources and prevent them from reaching your capital. Looking at the image you have shown, I'd say you have either damage rail and/or damaged oil fields that's preventing you from getting any oil from your conquests. Usually as the rail repairs, the oil begins to travel.

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 9:34:38 AM

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Thanks.
So am still not following this. Looking at the convoys there are showing significant resources in transit. So 12 resources coming from the south of Borneo, which should all be oil. The only damaged oil resource is the one in Sumatra, which has 22 damaged out of 30.
This is early '42 so the USA subs are doing almost nothing.
Yet the oil received in the production screen is a fraction of the oil produced on the map and in the convey system.
What is the relationship between oil resources/oil in convoy and then oil in the production screen. Is there some kind of multiplier that knocks it down to a fraction of what is produced ?

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 10:20:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tyronec

Thanks.
So am still not following this. Looking at the convoys there are showing significant resources in transit. So 12 resources coming from the south of Borneo, which should all be oil. The only damaged oil resource is the one in Sumatra, which has 22 damaged out of 30.
This is early '42 so the USA subs are doing almost nothing.
Yet the oil received in the production screen is a fraction of the oil produced on the map and in the convey system.
What is the relationship between oil resources/oil in convoy and then oil in the production screen. Is there some kind of multiplier that knocks it down to a fraction of what is produced ?

Oil doesn't use a multiplier. Straight calculation. According to your pic you are getting 3 oil (field located in Japan) + 2 from UK(shipped). You should be getting 32 assuming you have enough MMs to transport all your resources and no damage. If you don't have enough MMs to carry all the resources the AI adjusts by shutting off branches almost to a 50:50, resources to oil ratio.

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 10:32:33 AM

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Sorry for the double post. Here is a pic of undamaged Bornea and where the AI has started to transport resources. You can see when the cursor is placed on the map it says 12 resources are being transported through that branch. Are you getting the same?

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 2:28:24 PM

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I am getting exactly the same as this, the Borneo convey was showing 12.
There is a surplus of MM, this is at the beginning of the game and have not I lost any, or very few. (I can't remember exactly as this is a server game and am posting when I have my turn, it is now with my opponent.)

The first turn I posted Japan was getting 5 oil.
The next turn it was getting 12, but just looking at Borneo I should have been getting 12 from that convoy alone. I looked at several other convoys and they were showing imports coming into Japan of 40 or 50 coming up through the South China Sea.

Either this is a bug OR there is something else at play here that I am not understanding.

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 3:46:04 PM

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I'd have to see the map but I do have another suggestion. Start another 42 scenario game in hotseat mode and see how your maps differ. When I start the 42 scenario, Japan gets 65 oil.

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 7:14:59 PM

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I'd have to see the map but I do have another suggestion. Start another 42 scenario game in hotseat mode and see how your maps differ. When I start the 42 scenario, Japan gets 65 oil.

This is the '41 scenario.
I am not saying that it is wrong that Japan is getting low oil in early '42.
To take this back to the question from my first post, the amount of oil in Production does not match the amount of oil on the map as resources OR the amount of oil being transferred by convoys.
I appreciate all of the responses but none of them have answered that question.

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RE: Production - 5/18/2021 9:51:16 PM

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If you want email me the game and I will take a look. In the patch there were some changes to the map to accommodate exploits on the transfer of resources over convoys

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RE: Production - 5/19/2021 8:15:52 AM

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Save file sent.

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