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Barbarossa - 7/5/2021 11:40:09 PM

aoffen

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Playing my first PBEM game as the Axis and wondering what forces levels I need to invade Russia.

As it is my first game I am playing pretty historically to see how thing develop. I have put quite a bit of effort into the BoA and the desert war and am looking like I will have 6 elite Pz Corps, 3 Motorised corps and the usual infantry host for Russia. I will have another Pz Corp, German inf corp and almost all the Italian effort directed down in Nth Africa.

Is it enough or am I launching into Russia underdone?

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RE: Barbarossa - 7/10/2021 7:11:03 PM

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First off...you should launch your attack in 41. Russia is far to weak and waiting a year will just give them 20+ more units.

Your force seems a little light armor wise though...Any Italian armor?

I like to have 8 panzers and 4 mech...and then fill in Africa a bit after the attack starts and I can build another unit.

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RE: Barbarossa - 7/10/2021 10:30:28 PM

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Manage your Panzer corps. Don't hesitate to make a pause during one turn. Also, try to keep them always in range of an HQ and at the latest technology.

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RE: Barbarossa - 7/11/2021 2:12:26 PM

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Supply trucks, supply trucks, supply trucks...you should have multiple hundreds for the attack.

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RE: Barbarossa - 7/11/2021 4:20:57 PM

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Also, try to surround units to prevent them to come back (new shatter rule).

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RE: Barbarossa - 8/9/2021 5:10:21 AM

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So revisiting this thread. What are the thoughts re air support for Bargaross? Currently I have 4 interceptors 4 TAC air and 3 CAS. Feels quite light on. The question is - is it worth building more?

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RE: Barbarossa - 8/9/2021 12:06:40 PM

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the old logic on barbarossa was to pour most of your resources into armor/supply trucks.

'pro' players usually eschewed additional air assets.

this may have changed, i've been gone a long time. i know supply trucks aren't the deal they used to be.

i built a large-ish air force once, though. wore down the soviet fighters early, then had a LOT of stukas. and i found it useful and fun.

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RE: Barbarossa - 1/25/2022 5:19:17 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: stjeand

First off...you should launch your attack in 41. Russia is far to weak and waiting a year will just give them 20+ more units.

Your force seems a little light armor wise though...Any Italian armor?

I like to have 8 panzers and 4 mech...and then fill in Africa a bit after the attack starts and I can build another unit.

So basically, you are putting 8 Armor and 4 Mech in Russia?
I am trying to improve my Barbarossa. But, my build list after France 1940 is poor because I have problems to reach these numbers in time. Do you attack in May? June?

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RE: Barbarossa - 1/25/2022 6:17:44 PM

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My basic rules for what I need:

10 Panzers, no more
A couple of extra bombers
An extra fighter (or two), mostly for the Med/West
Lots and lots and LOTS of infantry, can never have enough
I don't use supply trucks much anymore, rather have reserve units and cycle the frontline

I do switch things up in every game though. A clear favorite I haven't tried in the latest patch was escort fighters, they are simply excellent for Germany

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RE: Barbarossa - 1/25/2022 6:46:00 PM

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quote:

10 Panzers, no more
A couple of extra bombers

Why not a few more panzers instead of building extra bombers?

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RE: Barbarossa - 1/25/2022 6:51:55 PM

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Bombers are better for winning hard battles. When you need to fight some Siberians or tanks more panzers won't help, more bombers will.

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RE: Barbarossa - 1/25/2022 8:18:12 PM

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Thanks for the tips.

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