RobertMc
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***Also, I've been wondering if crashing through a building should automatically (or near enough) immobilise tanks. I've seen footage of tanks bursting through wooden and even stone buildings (was there an AVI in SPWW2 that showed this happening? I seem to
remember so) and they didn't get stuck. Certainly wooden buildings should be
pass-throughable most of the time for tanks at least.***
If you desire this, you should find an unpatched version 1 of the original Steel Panthers. In it, there was virtually no chance for a vehicle to become stuck in any kind of building. Therefore, you had super tanks that doubled as super bulldozers, you lost practically all battlefield friction, and you had what amounted to an arcade tank vs. tank game.
I think you may have seen not battlefield film, but film taken by the Pentagon to show to the public how "tough" tanks are. In reality, very few tankers are going to try to go through any kind of building, be it stone courthouse or backyard outhouse. The threat of breakdown, throwing a track, falling into a basement or bogging would be just too great. Yes, tanks did enter wooden structures--like barns--to set up ambushes, but this was a slow and painstaking process that was not done very often.
I say prevent all vehicles from entering any kind of building. In WW2, tankers even feared entering woods for the chance of bogging or throwing a track--but would you like to see tankers crashing through multiple hex stone buildings with no threat of consequence?
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Unstuck needed :) - 
that an 'unstuck' possibility is needed. If a vehicle got stuck in mud it was possible to get people to push, or the tank carried sandbags or logs that could be used to add traction etc.
So howabout that for each vehicle that is stuck you could try to unstuck it once a turn. You'd do this by trying to move it and if it unstucks itself it'd move one hex and spend all it's movement for that turn. Next turn it would move normally. Say that the chance to get unstuck is 50% and modified with experience level.
However if this attempt fails then the vehicle would dig itself deeper, to a 'mired' state 
perhaps with visibility reduced to 1-2 hexes to describe a tank that is so deep in mud that only turret is visible.
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we worked over 20 hours and enlisted the aid of several M113s to no avail. We finally got it out with an M88.
The light stuff is another matter. Modern US Trucks have winches that are quite useful in getting them out of mud, I think the WW2 US Trucks had them too, but I don't have any idea about other countries. M113s were light enough that at least you could (sort of) manhandle a section of track. I think that WW2 light tanks (up to 20 tons or so?) should be possible to dig out in a few turns.
I really don't know how to deal with the WW2 mediums (Sherman, PzKw4, T34 etc.) but I suspect they should be more like the heavies and hard to unmire.
Another point on becoming stuck; it should be dramatically affected by crew quality. Inexperienced drivers and TCs threw tracks constantly and veteran crews rarely.
Regarding houses, the biggest danger is basements!! I saw this happen one too, during an icy road march (thankfully not one of my tanks.) The floor beams of a typical German house will hold a heavy tank (again, an M60A1) for about 2 seconds. It may be a bit too detailed for SPWAW to model buildings with or without basements but it would add to the realism. We certainly planned to make use of Barns and other large buildings as 'hide' positions and occasionally battle positions for our tanks. The important point is that someone would have to recon the building on foot before driving into it with a tank.
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