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Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:28:53 AM   
ctangus


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Status: offline 		Anyone have a source for what certain US Navy & Marine squadron abbreviations mean? VF, VMF, VMR, VMSB, VQDEGUDKIDR, etc.?

I've gotten as far as figuring out that F stands for fighter, M for Marines and R for Recon, but beyond that I'm clueless.
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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:38:55 AM   
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Anyone have a source for what certain US Navy & Marine squadron abbreviations mean? VF, VMF, VMR, VMSB, VQDEGUDKIDR, etc.?

I've gotten as far as figuring out that F stands for fighter, M for Marines and R for Recon, but beyond that I'm clueless.


Not a complete list by far ...

VF = Fighter
VFN = Night fighter
VB = Bomber (dive bomber and level bomber like PB4Y)
VBF = Fighter/Bomber
VT = Torpedo
VP = Patrol

The above are Navy. If there is an "M" after the "V" then it is a Marine squadron. I.E., VF-12 is Navy Fighter squadron 12, VMF-12 would be Marine Fighter squadron 12.

There's others like VCF which are fighters or VCT which are torpedo planes. Just check the type of aircraft being flown.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:39:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		VF- Navy FIghter
VMF- Marine Fighter
VB- Navy Bomber
VBF- Navy Fighter Bomber
VS- Navy Scouting Squadron
VMSB - Marine Scouting/Bombing Squadron (Uses Scout/Dive Bombers)
VT - Navy Torpedo Squadron
VMTB - Marine Torpedo Bomber
VR - Navy Replenishment (not recon).
VMR - Marine Replinishment (don't think this exists).
VP - Navy Patrol
VO - Navy Battleship Observation Squadron
VCS - Navy Cruiser Observation Squadron
VC - Navy Composite Squadron (can be of bombers of torpedo bombers)
VCF - Navy Composite Fighter
VCT - Navy Composite Torpedo
VFN - Navy Night Fighter
VTN - Navy Night Torpedo
VMD - Marine Patrol Squadron
VMO - Marine Observation Squadron
VMF(N) - Marine Night Fighter Squadron
VMB - Marine Bomber Squadron (NOT Scout/Dive bomber)

Hope that helps.



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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:40:34 AM   
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Naval Abbreviation Index

And the "V" means "heavier than air", as in not a dirigible.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:41:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any idea why the "V"?

While certainly not that important, I've had a question about it for years. My best guess so far is "Venereal" but I don't think that quite covers it.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:45:15 AM   
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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:45:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		One theory is that when the US Navy created new aircraft squadron designations, it made blimps and dirigible use the letter "Z" from Zepplin, and heavier than air squadrons the letter "V" from the French word "Volplane", which means winged aircraft.

Edit: Thus, VO-3 is Heavier than Air Observation Squadron Number 3.
VF-4 Is Heavier than Air Fighter Squadron Number 4, etc.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:48:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		You answered my question before I asked it.

Any idea why the "V" for heavier than air? Do you know what the airship abbreviations were?

By the way, thanks all.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:49:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		See above. Z for Zepplin, V for "Volplane" (Winged Aircraft).

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:49:51 AM   
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This is amusing. Would you like us to read your mind again?

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:50:26 AM   
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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:51:28 AM   
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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:51:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Tankerace - you answered my question b4 I asked it too. I need to learn to type faster.


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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:53:33 AM   
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What's the next winning number for the Mega Millions?

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:54:31 AM   
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so that we can answer it before you ask it.



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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 5:59:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Because the USN has associated the letter Z with dirgiables and other lighter then air units. Primarly since they had recieved a couple of thier intial dirgiables as war prizes following World War 1 from the Zepplin company.


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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 6:14:07 AM   
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What year did the P-38G arrive in the Pacific?

EDIT: Looks like you answered those too.


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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 7:27:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi ctangus, check out the link below almost at the bottom of the page is a comprehensive list of Marine and Navy air classifications.

http://members.aol.com/brimiljeep/WebPages/SquadronPatchUSMCPg.html

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 11:50:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		With the advent of the Helicopter in more modern times the "V" took on the meaning "Fixed-wing" as opposed to "H" meaning "rotary-wing". "Heavier than air" thus not being used anymore,

or is it...

I read an article in a professional periodical at work the other day that says we, the Navy, are bringing back the lighter than air community. Scary.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 2:58:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, I saw the same article Elf (courtesy of Knavey). Scarey... Funny...

It's all the same.
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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 7:52:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Feinder

Yeah, I saw the same article Elf (courtesy of Knavey). Scarey... Funny...

It's all the same.
-F-

Oh I don't know about that, a ZO squadron with a 24 hour loiter time and the Radar antenna "in the Bag" would have a wonderful view over the horizon particular if it was an UZO (Unmanned Lighter-than-air Observation).

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 9:31:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		A fun mod would be to incorporate the ZRCVs - the zeppelin aircraft carriers: Snenandoah, Akron, Macon, and Los Angeles. Note that these airships were actually commissioned as USS - United States Ships.

As ZRCVs, carried HTA fighters. Concept in the 20s was long-distance air attacks across the Pacific, much like Moorcock's fantasies. In one case, they mock-raided Prez FDR a 1,000 miles off the coast when no other aircraft could do that.

Does anyone know if these are in WPO? (Haven't checked it out yet).

Ideally, there should be some squadrons of blimps in WitP. Claim to fame: no ship was lost to submarine activity that was escorted by an airship during WW2!

As for modern times - the 24 hr stay time for a radar platform is very appealing! Navy almost brought them back several times.

Germans had another go commerically recently, but didn't fly!

Finally, Navy aviator insignia for a "Naval Balloonist" has half-a-wing. Rather funny to see.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/1/2005 10:30:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, no Zepplin CVs in WPO, they were all commissioned in the early 1930's, just after WPO ends.

We are thinking about adding blimps, but are pondering every possible method of adding them. (where they work good, and not unrealistically).

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 3:26:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are a bunch of radar blimps that operate just like that out in the Flordia Keys and used to be stationed at various points along the Gulf Coast. They were/are operated by the DEA and the US Border Patrol to catch low flying smugglers. If I remember right they were about the size of a WW2 barge ballon and had either a radar from an E-2 or an F-16 in them and were tethered into location and reported to a tracking station.
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Feinder

Yeah, I saw the same article Elf (courtesy of Knavey). Scarey... Funny...

It's all the same.
-F-

Oh I don't know about that, a ZO squadron with a 24 hour loiter time and the Radar antenna "in the Bag" would have a wonderful view over the horizon particular if it was an UZO (Unmanned Lighter-than-air Observation).




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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 4:30:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the link Gary.

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I know for a fact that blimps were regularly used on ASW patrol off the east coast. Anyone know if they were used in the PTO?

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 6:24:09 AM   
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I read an article in a professional periodical at work the other day that says we, the Navy, are bringing back the lighter than air community. Scary.


They've been saying that for years. The thinktanks say that the navy could save millions a year in fuel costs.

The trouble is that their is no mission they can do that no other type craft can't do better. They are very much subject to the whims of the weather. A head wind kills their speed to virtually nothing. They can stay out for a long time but they just don't have the speed to respond to significant tactical changes. Plus an enemy submarine equipped with a modified SubSam could take them out without them ever knowing what hit them.

Plus if they were such a good low-cost alternative, I would think nations that don't have a large military budget would have already begun using them.

I just don't see it ever happening here. Just my opinion of course.

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 6:47:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I read an article in a professional periodical at work the other day that says we, the Navy, are bringing back the lighter than air community. Scary.

They need someplace for those politicians who want to get back in the sky. These guys will provide their own lift...

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 6:47:29 AM   
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There was a great article in either Pop Sci or Pop Mech that delt with Lighter than Air for the US Military and I have an uncle who works in the aerospace industry as a designer / eng and is working on those progjects...

Right now - they have designs for airships that can sortie above a target higher than almost any surface to air missle can target... also, the blimps are designed with composites to make them invisible to radar, ect... they can then drop LGB at will over a target or target for other ordenance... The ability to orbit over a target like Iraq for an unlimited time period and use high powered optics make them a great addition to Predator planes, ect...

The article was very interesting and made some very good points - also my uncle has hinted at some very impressive capabilities...

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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 6:50:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also - to the reply about low cost - these would really be high cost high altitude craft - not the low level sub hunters of Post WWI era... Not something many 2nd or 3rd world counties could use or afford to build.
To be realistic, they would have to be survivable in todays environment, and when you think of WWI blimps - no way man, game over...



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RE: Squadron Abbreviations - 12/2/2005 7:04:18 AM   
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