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No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/12/2005 1:25:15 PM

Wuotan

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Again another "tricky" question from here (searched the forums already)...:

i have noticed (after some time) that there are no meeting engagement-type battles anymore when i play a WW2-Campaign against the AI...?! The computer generates just "assault" or "defending"-type missions...

Is this OK, or did i press the wrong button...? I miss them,
just defending or storming is a little bit boring...

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/13/2005 3:36:47 PM

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They do happen, just not very often. I fought a British long-campaign from '41 to the finish and had maybe 3 meeting engagements. Playing German at the moment, I've got from '39 to September '42 and I've just got my second meeting engagement.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/13/2005 4:29:30 PM

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I too have not run into any meeting engagements so far in my long campaign. have gotten thru to 1941 with all the major powers from 10 39 that is. Have had at least 21 battles most have been advancess so far. Had 2 defend and 1 assault so far i think. I am into my 22 battles german advance against the British. Must say I have not missed assaultas that much but meeting once in awhile would be a welcome change.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/14/2005 1:41:24 AM

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Meeting engagements ARE relatively rare, but this also depends on the theater you're fighting in.

The thing with long campaigns is that your force is usually part of the main effort, with the assumption that previous recons have established the enemy's presence and you are then tasked with "finding, fixing and destroying the enemy", "assaulting and breaking through the enemy's position", "delaying and possibly counterattacking the enemy's advance", " holding your position at all costs", or "an amphibious invasion".

Another thing is that it must not be forgotten that your battalion or company is part of a larger effort that is off-map and unseen. Taking all that into account, I believe that the randomness of the missions isn't too bad.

With the "in-the-works" options for setting map sizes, I think that the long campaigns will become the favorite mode of play for many gamers. I love 'em already, for the role-playing aspect, the joy in seeing units/leaders improve over the years, the pain of seeing a favorite killed in action, and the new weapons being introduced.

For my beloved US Marines, the remarkable four-year transformation from the "raggedy-ass" defenders of Guadalcanal in 1942 with their WWI-vintage rifles to the satchel-charge and flamethrower-bearing "wrecking crew" assault units that conquered Okinawa in 1945 by "corkscrew and blowtorch" is a rewarding experience.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/14/2005 3:03:11 AM

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I wonder if Mike can fix the bug where a replacement unit loses the experience it had when you lost it, and just goes back to the National ratings? It sucks when you get super soldiers to replace your super-soldiers.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/14/2005 4:10:38 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Goblin

I wonder if Mike can fix the bug where a replacement unit loses the experience it had when you lost it, and just goes back to the National ratings? It sucks when you get super soldiers to replace your super-soldiers.

Goblin

I've often wondered about this one, but I would think that it repesents the core survivors going back to reconstitute the unit, OR, as in Marine practice, a leavening of veterans transferred from other units to insure that a new unit has experience to draw upon.
Even if they don't take a morale hit, they should at least take an experience hit because of the influx of green recruits.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/14/2005 7:59:04 AM

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Ahh, i see. Thank you! So i will wait.

Greetings,

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/15/2005 9:37:43 PM

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More consequences or pentalites for damage or casualties incurred would be more realistic and welcome (eg payments or EXP cut) especially considering campaigning difficulties out in the field. Would be pretty costly to reinforce out in the Pacific or deep into Russia. Experience tends to have snowball effect that skyrockets higher and higher in the long campaign as it stands.
Havn't seen any meeting engagements in 8.4 LC but i didn't stick with it.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 5:01:34 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: soldier

More consequences or pentalites for damage or casualties incurred would be more realistic and welcome (eg payments or EXP cut) especially considering campaigning difficulties out in the field. Would be pretty costly to reinforce out in the Pacific or deep into Russia. Experience tends to have snowball effect that skyrockets higher and higher in the long campaign as it stands.
Havn't seen any meeting engagements in 8.4 LC but i didn't stick with it.

Replacements on the after-battle "fix/upgrade" screen are theoretically supposed to have the base exp/morale levels for that nation/year. Now that the levels are lower "across the board", then this should be less of an issue. My current USMC core force has an average EXP of 59 in its first battle. Judging by past experience, the force will achieve "elite" status at just about the time the war ends and the USMC Battle Hymn is played for the last time, before everyone packs up and heads home.

Personal commentary: the end of a long campaign is SO anti-climactic. All you get is a message saying "the war is over". No victory parades or fanfare. The only satisfaction one gets is in reviewing your force for a final time, and tallying up the accumulated kills using Campaign Watcher.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 5:19:43 AM

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Do you know if you actually have to pay to replace or reinforce squads/units that are not destroyed but take casualties ? eg at half strength
I'm under the impresson that these units are replentished for no cost, If so this gives a player a free ride throughout the war if he can keep his squads alive. Havn,t noticed any experience penalty either for a squad that loses half or 2 thirds but survives. Anyone know ?

I'm playing a H2H campaign at the moment and have just gotten to Russia 41 and already have some squads near 99 Exp, its a problem for the german campaign where you already start with better troops than everyone else. I set hitting, searching troop toughness and rally slightly higher for the AI to offset this. Still largely got through Poland and France mostly without incident but really took some heavy casualties in the first soviet battle (the hordes just kept coming) looks interesting from here on and very rewarding. Intend to play on to the end this time and then back to Das Reich when the patch is out.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 6:01:23 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: soldier

I'm playing a H2H campaign at the moment and have just gotten to Russia 41 and already have some squads near 99 Exp, its a problem for the german campaign where you already start with better troops than everyone else.

A campaign using the H2H OOBs? There's your problem. That OOB set wasn't designed for vs AI play, and it makes the Germans ubermensch to start with. Ammo loadouts too high, Fire control/range finder settings jacked up to superhuman levels, etc etc.

Wait until the enhanced OOB editor/8.403 is released, and then run the H2H OOBs through the batch options for resetting values. This should help redress SOME of the past issues that seriously unbalanced the game. Don't pass judgment until the "new stuff" gets released to the public, so everyone can experiment with the new options.

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Do you know if you actually have to pay to replace or reinforce squads/units that are not destroyed but take casualties ? eg at half strength
I'm under the impresson that these units are replentished for no cost.

Hitting the "fix-all" button between battles DOES subtract from available upgrade points.
This should be done before upgrading to new equipment.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 6:04:39 AM

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(oops-- double post. Sorry)

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 6:20:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: soldier

Do you know if you actually have to pay to replace or reinforce squads/units that are not destroyed but take casualties ? eg at half strength
I'm under the impresson that these units are replentished for no cost, If so this gives a player a free ride throughout the war if he can keep his squads alive. Havn,t noticed any experience penalty either for a squad that loses half or 2 thirds but survives. Anyone know ?

I'm playing a H2H campaign at the moment and have just gotten to Russia 41 and already have some squads near 99 Exp, its a problem for the german campaign where you already start with better troops than everyone else. I set hitting, searching troop toughness and rally slightly higher for the AI to offset this. Still largely got through Poland and France mostly without incident but really took some heavy casualties in the first soviet battle (the hordes just kept coming) looks interesting from here on and very rewarding. Intend to play on to the end this time and then back to Das Reich when the patch is out.

H2H works fine with the AI, I play it alot. I also don't play long campaigns for the reason you listed. After a couple of battles, its gets boring fast. We suggested to Mike Wood about fixing the error where destroyed units come back at the experience they died with, instead of normal starting experience. This should help some, because the n00b's will water down your core force's power somewhat.

I recommend designer created campaigns (Long Long Road to Victory or Stalingrad), or using manual settings for the long campaign. You can set yourself slightly lower than normal for a start, and set the enemy slightly higher in morale, experience, and leadership (you are facing veteran troops). You will still get your troops to the point where you can obliterate anything though...

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 6:25:23 AM

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quote:

Hitting the "fix-all" button between battles DOES subtract from available upgrade points.
This should be done before upgrading to new equipment.

But is that only for units that are actually destroyed ? Units that survived but are damaged appear at full strength automatically, do you pay for them ?
As an example in my Russian battle i have one experienced platoon all on 4 and 5 etc, will those losses be made good for free.

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/18/2005 8:11:28 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: soldier

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Hitting the "fix-all" button between battles DOES subtract from available upgrade points.
This should be done before upgrading to new equipment.

But is that only for units that are actually destroyed ? Units that survived but are damaged appear at full strength automatically, do you pay for them ?
As an example in my Russian battle i have one experienced platoon all on 4 and 5 etc, will those losses be made good for free.

Yes. Any unit that has lost men, but shows no point cost to be repaired, is 'recrewed' to full at no cost. The 'Fix All' button will, indeed, fix all, and units that have at least 1 point in the Repair Cost column will be affected; but this doesn't 'fix' the damaged units using 'invisible' points. Try it and see: manually 'fix' only those units that have a Repair value, then click the 'Fix All' button and watch the total points you have left. It won't change...

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RE: No meeting engagements in 8.4?! - 12/20/2005 5:20:17 PM

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I'm about 15 battles into a british Campaign and had a meeting engagement. It said advance, but it happened to be advance for the Germans also. I'm in North Africa late 41, early 42, I don't remember exactly for the meeting engagement. I'm assaulting the Italians now, so the engagement was 2 battles ago or so.

On an unrelated note, my trusty Stuarts seem to do a better job taking out German armor than my Matildas, but I'm surviving. I have tried a British campaign about three times and got whacked early on every time. I finally have honed my tactics to allow me to squeak past the German battles while building up experience and replacement points in the Italian battles.

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