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ORIGINAL: Froonp
(1) About the names, for the Naval & Aircraft counters, will the name come from the "scanned" picture of the WiF CS, or will it be "written" as the land counters have their name written ?

(2) I hope the name will be on the counter, it is way much better with the name on the counter !!!!!!

(3) And about the "scanned" picture for the naval & aircraft counters, you mean that the little picture for each counter will be taken from the original ADG counter file, and displayed in the center of each MWiF counter ?

(4) Could you show us just an example ?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

(1) Also, in WiF, the background of the box of the MAR units is pale green for all countries.

(2) The PARA units' box background is pale blue also.

(3) And the White print units' box background is white.

(4) The ART (Field, AA, AT, etc...) box background is pale blue.

Will you implement that too ?

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ORIGINAL: WiFDaniel
I am really impressed with the pics. It looks great - I mean it.

Some nitpicking on the China image:

1. The M symbol of MIL units is not properly centered

2. Chunking MIL hasn't got an R sign whereas Canton's does. The 5-1 GAR label reads "(Res)" instead of a right wing "R". Some lack of consistency here.

3. It might be superflous, but have you prepared an indication for the oil cost of each unit?
This leads me to another idea: will MWiF allow the players to see how much equivalent-oil they've spent so far in the turn? When I play cardboard WiF, I count when turns are about to end tto decide whether to do an extra mission here or there.

4. Oil markers may have a completely different design than the units. They could be round instead of square or something. It'd be nice to see them *and* the factories in their hex (that matters a lot for strat bombing), which is not the case as it is. Oil markers don't move and I'm not even sure yhow you rail move/transport them...

Cheers,

Daniel

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ORIGINAL: WiFDaniel

More nitpicking on the US pic...

1. What is this "CP" plane? I suppose it's a CVP, not a "CP". Why is its range on the right instead of center bottom as any other plane?

2. CVPs can only fly rebase missions when not on a CV. Is there any way to show that on screen?

3. SYNTHs could be different kinds of marker than combat unit (see comments on stockpiled oil before)

4. the SUPPLY unit symbol seems smaller than NATO symbols of other units.

5. (might only be a distorsion). You can safely move the NATO+numbers of HQs a little to the right of the counters. At the moment, McArthur seems a bit squeezed on the left.

Daniel

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ORIGINAL: WiFDaniel

Now for the Russian pic...

1. The LND4 range is in the right instead of the center bottom.

2. To tell a standard LND from an reorg-capacity one (ie white shade of range), you may want to invent a completerly different coding than the current one. Although the yellow/white color code is strikingly different on counters, it is not on the screen (IMO).

Nothing else on that one. Great job!

Daniel

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ORIGINAL: rtamesis
(1) I recommend using white text if the background is going to be dark to increase contrast as much as possible for readability. The black text against the dark green background of the US counters can get really hard to make out.

(2) Will the graphics and text be anti-aliased in the final product? Doing so will make it look more beautiful and polished.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
I think you're wrong on the Divisional units analysis , because divisional units (especialy artillery units) must stand out also from the rest, because they are different and behave differently in many aspects of the game mechanics.

The points are :
- The player can easily confuse a feeble Corp unit for a division if the divisions do not stand out from the corps.
- Divisions & Artillery units do not have ZoC in adjacent hexes, so divisions must stand out from the corps.
- Divisions in coastal areas are potentialy invaders for the whole sea area, so they must stand out from the corps.
- Artillery are only worth 1 combat point if alone in a hex, and if not self propelled, so must stand out from the rest of the units too.
- Field artillery units are powerfull asset who give their side a tremendous advantage in land offensive by allowing for nearly free Ground Strikes of the enemy lines without using air missions, so they must stand out from the rest of the units.
- AA units conveniently placed can save or ruin the day in mobile offensive by protecting the valuable HQ units, so theymust stand out from the rest of the units so that the offensive player has more easily the information that AA is here.
- etc....

There are lots of reasons for the ART & DIV units to stand out from the others, so please reconsider the question.

In regular WiF FE, the ART are with a pale blue background that could only be confused with PARA units but this is better than nothing.

The DIV in regular WiF are of the same country background color, but much lighter, and I think there is no problem of confusing them with other units, as it is not a problem in regular WiF FE.

The regular "Corps" units box background is generaly darker than the unit, so having the Divisions lighter makes them stand out marvelously well, and having all the ART units with a light blue background for all countries makes them stand out great too.

I think this is a must, and lots of info is lost if you don't do it .

Cheers !

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This leads me to another idea: will MWiF allow the players to see how much equivalent-oil they've spent so far in the turn? When I play cardboard WiF, I count when turns are about to end tto decide whether to do an extra mission here or there.

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1 - This is a serious concern of mine [it aggravates me everytime I look at it - text requires much more contrast], but I am not sure how to fix it.

As I said in the post immediately above, I do not want to reinvent the wheel. White text has the connotation of being an elite unit (worth 3 strength points when disrupted instead of only 1). For the SS units, ADG uses red numbers. That is also hard to read. If you look at the printed counters, you will see that this is a problem with them too. When I played this game over the board, I bought several articulated lights (you could swivel them anywhere you wanted to over the map) that I clamped to the game table when we played; so you could position the light directly over what you were loooking at and read it more easily. I am open to suggestions here. I have even played around with different brightness and contrast levels on my monitor to see if that would help. It didn't.

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Ok.

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There are some weirdnesses in doing this, but I will follow ADG's lead in making those decisions. I will base this on counter sheet #15 (2003) and more or less ignore counter sheet #23's color sheme (1995).

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ORIGINAL: Froonp
CS23 is in fact older than WiF FE, and was designated with WiF 5 in mind.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Hello Daniel,

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This leads me to another idea: will MWiF allow the players to see how much equivalent-oil they've spent so far in the turn? When I play cardboard WiF, I count when turns are about to end tto decide whether to do an extra mission here or there.

This information is already in a dialog of CWiF.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

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1 - This is a serious concern of mine [it aggravates me everytime I look at it - text requires much more contrast], but I am not sure how to fix it.

As I said in the post immediately above, I do not want to reinvent the wheel. White text has the connotation of being an elite unit (worth 3 strength points when disrupted instead of only 1). For the SS units, ADG uses red numbers. That is also hard to read. If you look at the printed counters, you will see that this is a problem with them too. When I played this game over the board, I bought several articulated lights (you could swivel them anywhere you wanted to over the map) that I clamped to the game table when we played; so you could position the light directly over what you were loooking at and read it more easily. I am open to suggestions here. I have even played around with different brightness and contrast levels on my monitor to see if that would help. It didn't.

Maybe using a light grey outline to the letters when the text is not readable.
Not writing in white, but outlining in grey or white.

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

Perhaps its possible to provide alternative palettes for the counters which the player can select during configuration.
This presumes that MWiF still uses 'White Print' rather than an 'E' for rlite units.
Easy for me to suggest since I'm not the one who would do all of that extra work.

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

I think that the best would be to leave things as they are in the paper game.
That is, Elite units with White Print figures, and all black prints units with black print, or red print for the black ones. After all, if we see the red printing out of black background on the counters, we will see it also on the screen, and even better.
Cheers !

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft
Perhaps its possible to provide alternative palettes for the counters which the player can select during configuration.
This presumes that MWiF still uses 'White Print' rather than an 'E' for rlite units.
Easy for me to suggest since I'm not the one who would do all of that extra work.

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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

I wasn't actually thinking of the player coding the RGB values. More like having three or four preset color schemes and the player choses the one they hate the least.

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2. To tell a standard LND from an reorg-capacity one (ie white shade of range), you may want to invent a completerly different coding than the current one. Although the yellow/white color code is strikingly different on counters, it is not on the screen (IMO).

2 - White versus yellow is about the same on the cardboard and the screen to my eye. I do not intend to reinvent the wheel here. ADG did a ton of work figuring out all the different colors to use. When you change one, you risk screwing up something somewhere else (introducing inconsistencies/ambiguities).

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I kinda like the brain terrain.

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love the "brain terrain" too. It gives the impression of valleys running all around in the mountains, which is what mountains look like from the skies. Look at Google Earth.

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ORIGINAL: WiFDaniel

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2. To tell a standard LND from an reorg-capacity one (ie white shade of range), you may want to invent a completerly different coding than the current one. Although the yellow/white color code is strikingly different on counters, it is not on the screen (IMO).

2 - White versus yellow is about the same on the cardboard and the screen to my eye. I do not intend to reinvent the wheel here. ADG did a ton of work figuring out all the different colors to use. When you change one, you risk screwing up something somewhere else (introducing inconsistencies/ambiguities).

Let me precise my idea. For example, you may write the range number inside a diamond instead of a square to show said plane has a paradrop capacity. Thence you'd save the "no paradrop" sign on some planes. This would go on top of the yellow/white background.

This is just a general principle - you know the actual pixel limits, not I.

So far, the numbers are already set into squares (which I personally find ugly, but it's just an opinion) instead of circles. You have the freedom to use other designs - triangle, diamonds, dotted lines, shades etc.- to show caracteristics, so make use of it

Cheers,

Daniel