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WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 9:59:42 AM

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I think World War 2 was better than World War 1. There was more plot development, more twists, more characters, more killing & drama. While it was still mostly in black & white it was much better quality. The bad guys owned too. Pure evil. And what about the good guy who turned out to be bad??? Stalin?? AMAZING stuff. I was at the edge of my seat.

I can't wait until World War 3 comes out.
I found this on another forum and I thought it pretty funny!

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 10:58:58 AM

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WWI could have kicked WWII's arse. The upper lips were stiffer, the uniforms were starchier and the mustaches were bushier. Nuff said.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:22:11 AM

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In my opinion both wars are overated............

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:39:19 AM

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I think WWI wins on style points ... handlebar mustaches and pointy helmits are the schnitz.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 12:14:35 PM

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I think WWI wins on style points ... handlebar mustaches and pointy helmits are the schnitz.

You just GOT to love those nice navy blue French uniforms with the red piping. Why didn't they just hang a big bullseye arround their neck with a big sign "SHOOT ME" ......

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 12:32:56 PM

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If we want to look at silly uniform choices, any British colonial war featuring red coats is an obvious choice.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 3:45:48 PM

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i don't know i actually think the red coats look spiffy...but why did all those german soldiers have pikes on top of their helmets? To better headbutt the french in a charge? However nothing beats the well trimmed uniform of an SS...

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 3:47:49 PM

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i don't know i actually think the red coats look spiffy...but why did all those german soldiers have pikes on top of their helmets? To better headbutt the french in a charge? However nothing beats the well trimmed uniform of an SS...

I like the Luftwaffe officers uni myself...very chic. The spike were for carrying extra knockwurst rations into the field.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 4:01:49 PM

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i don't know i actually think the red coats look spiffy...but why did all those german soldiers have pikes on top of their helmets? To better headbutt the french in a charge? However nothing beats the well trimmed uniform of an SS...

I like the Luftwaffe officers uni myself...very chic. The spike were for carrying extra knockwurst rations into the field.

You do know that Hugo Boss dressed the Nazis.........on style alone they should have won the war hands down.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:23:53 PM

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why am i suddenly reminded of the Monty Python skit about the art of remaining......unseen ????

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:25:01 PM

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why am i suddenly reminded of the Monty Python skit about the art of remaining......unseen ????

Hmmmmmm.....can you run me through the skit please........

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:28:35 PM

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I think World War 2 was better than World War 1. There was more plot development, more twists, more characters, more killing & drama. While it was still mostly in black & white it was much better quality. The bad guys owned too. Pure evil. And what about the good guy who turned out to be bad??? Stalin?? AMAZING stuff. I was at the edge of my seat.

I can't wait until World War 3 comes out.
I found this on another forum and I thought it pretty funny!

Stalin ??? good guy ????
what kind of history is taught in USA ???

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:32:56 PM

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He's joking... Comparing WW1 and WW2 to films...

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:37:42 PM

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Hmmmmmm.....can you run me through the skit please........

Setting: Typical English/European field......announcer off screen discussing the art of remaining unseen. If the actor on screen was "seen" he was immediately blown up. Best part was the last......actor remained "unseen" Then the announcer said something like "Jolly good show old man...you have perfected the art of remaining unseen.....please now stand up" As he does, he in turn is also blown up with the announcer commenting on how it's not a good idea to reveal oneself even when prompted to do so.....

classic.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:39:10 PM

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"This demonstrates the value of not being seen!"

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 5:41:07 PM

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Hmmmmmm.....can you run me through the skit please........

Setting: Typical English/European field......announcer off screen discussing the art of remaining unseen. If the actor on screen was "seen" he was immediately blown up. Best part was the last......actor remained "unseen" Then the announcer said something like "Jolly good show old man...you have perfected the art of remaining unseen.....please now stand up" As he does, he in turn is also blown up with the announcer commenting on how it's not a good idea to reveal oneself even when prompted to do so.....

classic.

Many thanks.......Now, I remember it well......

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 6:38:01 PM

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Stalin ??? good guy ????
what kind of history is taught in USA ???

You must look at it through the course of war, e.g with a british view:
- ignorant after the german attack against Poland and the english+french declaration of war
- alienate when splitting up Poland after german victory
- bad guy with the attack against Finland (Brits and French considered to land an expedition in March '40 to fight against the Russians - now that could have caused some twisted situations...)
- second best friend (after the USA of course) from 22nd June '41
- statements like the promise to attack Japan after Germany is defeated made him even a better friend

Alienation started again when victory was just a matter of time and the discussions about post-war setups started in '43. And even then, Churchill in his WWII memoires (just read the short ~1100 pages version; great read) sometimes depicts Stalin as a (potential) victim of politburo pressure behind the scenes. Of course, that got worse and worse over the following years, esp. because of the treatment of the Poles, installation of a puppet government (ignoring the supposed to be official one in London), not supporting the Warszaw uprising in Sept. '44, political and ethnical cleansing (not just in Poland), ...

No he definatly was never really a good guy, but for the affairs of war against Germany he was for the other allies...

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 10:34:04 PM

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stalin has been preparing troops to attack hitler on his own terms in 42/43 he was not ready in 41 and needed help from allies
meanwhile he starved Ukraine , annexed baltic states and half of poland , tried same with Finland and was not fast enough to take europe from hitler
later tricked both Churchill and Roosvelt and claimed half of europe as his empire
I have no words on it
stalin was good only because hitler was faster in annexing european countries ???

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:08:36 PM

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WWI was a war which nobody could have predicted. It was a war conducted after a "bluff" was called.
All of the principle monarchs were first cousins, and all shared the same grandmother, (Queen Victoria).
WWI was proof Europe had learned NOTHING from the American Civil War in how to conduct warfare by the avoidance of trench warfare.
WWI was a charnel house which devoured an entire generation of men. (For this reason, Britain went into WW2 with soldiers approx 10 years older than the U.S., on the average.)
France fought heroically in that war, but was grossly misfought by its' leaders.
France has yet to recover from its' inability to commit to armed warfare of any duration, and no longer places an importance on "military traditions within the family unit", (as in other nations, posturing be damned.)
Since German territory was never devastated as was France, they never truly felt "defeated", and this allowed many German vets to ponder "what-ifs", and believe they were "sold out on the homefront."(As a VietNam vet, I can understand this feeling entirely.)
Too, uncalled for war reperations demands made against Germany during a time of world financial failure provoked further need for Germany to bring itself out of its' misery, and of only a couple of offered means, the popular (and perhaps easiest) means was accepted.
The actual losses in the trenches of WWI were so horrific, entire DIVISIONS were never recovered, and became part of the clay of those trenches.
As in all wars, WWI possibly was a greater catalyst of furthering mans ability to conduct warfare more "efficiently" than any other war.
Certainly the airplane and submarine were only 2 of the most noticeable advances.For their day, I would deem these two alone as being more significant than even the atomic bomb of WW2.
Lest we forget.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:20:56 PM

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WhoCares,

I'll take your word for it that it is your interpretation that Churchill thought Stalin was a "victim".

I've also got Churchill's memoirs, and that's not what I read. Granted, I haven't READ them. I've "skimmed interesting parts", so I'm sure you've gotten more out them. But the impression I've gotten was that Churhill very much thought Stalin was an egomaniacal glutton for power. He very much considered Stalin a post-war threat. However, he understood the necissity of Stalin's war-time contribution.

But I don't think Winston cared much Stalin.

(* shrug *)

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:21:58 PM

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The thing about World War I is that every single political leader of the Great Powers in Europe wanted it. They'd all been eyeing each other uncomfortably for years, and finally it was time to decide who the biggest kid in the schoolyard was. Unfortunately, nobody had any idea what it would develop into.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:38:56 PM

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The whole thing was illustrated by Haiti.

With the collapse of Eurpean militaries (esp France), they stood a decent chance of invading their former colonial masters.

But the whole scheme got screwed up when the meddling Americans joined in.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:39:06 PM

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The thing about World War I is that every single political leader of the Great Powers in Europe wanted it. They'd all been eyeing each other uncomfortably for years, and finally it was time to decide who the biggest kid in the schoolyard was. Unfortunately, nobody had any idea what it would develop into.

I'm not entirely sure that they all wanted it.
Oddly, I remember a quote from the CBS documentary 'World War One' where - as the armies are mobilizing for war, but just before it's declared in 1914 the Kaiser tells His General Staff "Gentlemen, you will regret this"

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/5/2006 11:42:19 PM

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from what i've read, Churchill distrusted Stalin intensely.....it was Roosevelt that was more likely to see Stalin as a victim of the war. Churchill was right in the end.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/6/2006 1:15:30 AM

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Guys, you're comparing the wars all wrong. Think of a Baseball GM when you're deciding to fire the manager or not. What's the W-L? Where'd you finish and when were you in the playoffs last?

A measure of the success of any war is the body count. After all, what's the weapons for but to kill the enemy. If you ain't killing you ain't doing the job. And for that measure WW2 trumps WW1 in terms of sheer number of casualties (military, civilians, atrocities, etc) although you have to give style points to the older war for helping contribute to the great flu pandemic of 1918. Had transportation been just a little faster in that part of the 20th century the flu might've killed more and helped raise WW1's body count to a more respectable level.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/6/2006 1:36:49 AM

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I'm not entirely sure that they all wanted it.
Oddly, I remember a quote from the CBS documentary 'World War One' where - as the armies are mobilizing for war, but just before it's declared in 1914 the Kaiser tells His General Staff "Gentlemen, you will regret this"

This illustrates the special status of Germany in 1914. She was a military dictatorship, with the Kaiser as the titular head of state, but the General Staff calling the shots, and they wanted war. The Versailles Treaty had a paragraph expressly forbidding Germany from ever creating a General Staff again for that very reason.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/6/2006 4:05:21 AM

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I've read Churchill's memoirs - the unabridged 6 vol version. He was definitely very distrustful of Stalin, much more so than Roosevelt. He said something to the effect that he'd deal with the devil to finish Hitler. (Very loose quote.)

I can dig up a quote or two if you're interested, but am going to get back to a turn shortly.

BTW, it's a very interesting read. Very dry at times, but it gives a lot of insight into the decision making process of the UK/US high command.

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/6/2006 4:16:30 AM

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I think that the French of Episode I and Japanese of Episode II are long lost cousins - the both liked to charge machine guns with their lightsabers flailing about...

I'm not real excited about Episode III - The US is either going to turn out to be ultimately bad ( with eventual redemption - I hope ) and kill all the younglings ( Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Afganistan - basically punk countries ) or we'll end up going into exile ( in all our isolationist bent ) behind our great oceans while the evil empire ( EU ) runs amok for 20+ years until our young son - Isreal? rises up and slaps the EU down...

Either way, I'll probably die on Hoth...

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RE: WW2 vs. WW1 - 1/6/2006 6:05:45 AM

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I think that the French of Episode I and Japanese of Episode II are long lost cousins - the both liked to charge machine guns with their lightsabers flailing about...

I'm not real excited about Episode III - The US is either going to turn out to be ultimately bad ( with eventual redemption - I hope ) and kill all the younglings ( Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi, Afganistan - basically punk countries ) or we'll end up going into exile ( in all our isolationist bent ) behind our great oceans while the evil empire ( EU ) runs amok for 20+ years until our young son - Isreal? rises up and slaps the EU down...

Either way, I'll probably die on Hoth...

It's funny, why do some Americans fear the EU? They're culturally closer to us than Israel, Russia, Japan, China, anything in the MidEast or the rest of Asia. There's really no reason for either side to see each other as evil although with enough paranoia and marijuana I suppose anything seems possible ...