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is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 9:48:33 PM

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...there are quite many new witp players around after Christmas? I see lots on new names, lots of new guys looking for opponents or asking questions....

That means WITP keeps selling? isn't this amazing? Aren't we the best wargaming community around?

...ok, now better to stop. It's the first time i'm forced to work at home at night....and as you can see i'm not that good in concentrating myself with this forum lurking in my windowns toolbar

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 9:55:39 PM

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anyway, i was quite serious: From what i can see from here WITP is not going so bad with sellings...

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:08:28 PM

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Gotta be because there is really nothing out there like it (WPO excepted)

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:13:00 PM

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Been wanting to play this beast since its release....only problem: POS* computer!

Next month with our tax returns I'm getting this baby.....if I don't, there'll be much bloodshedding...

*"Piece of Shiite"

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:27:36 PM

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A term that takes on a whole new meaning in the current US "War on Terrorism".

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:40:29 PM

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Well, this is not as funny as it seems. Iran is going to get a nuke in the next 2-3 years. Israel already has some 30-50 warheads. And both countries have enough guts to use them.

I know it's quite far from the West Coast but we are going to get some radiation fallout too.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:49:05 PM

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Pakistan and India have been pretty much in that situation for a long time.

The problem with weapons ... you can't *uninvent* them.

At the very same time, you can't have a boys club (todays situation) and dictate to the non-members that they can't join.

If you are not willing to (REALLY) go to war and wipe the other guy off the planet, then there is little that can be done.

Sooner or later, someone who shouldn't have one will get one and set it off somewhere. The probelm is likely to be that the person setting it off is not representing the people of whatever country they happen to come from.

Sad, but ... there are those that have, and those that don't ... as long as that condition exists, the planet is pretty much screwed

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 10:53:37 PM

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I know it's quite far from the West Coast but we are going to get some radiation fallout too.

OOO ... Fallout 2 ... one of my favourite old games(you can probably tell from my icon) ... the orignal Fallout was good also

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 11:11:59 PM

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I know it's quite far from the West Coast but we are going to get some radiation fallout too.

Better stock up on Duct Tape...

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 11:44:52 PM

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I tend to agree with Frag (eeek!).

However I'm of the opinion that those weapons are a complete and total waste of both money and resources. Whoever sets one off is a deader anyways, no one would want to be anywhere near you so getting into a friendly country might be abit of a problem.
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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/19/2006 11:48:45 PM

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I don't worry about governments using them. Governments can't hide. I worry about some idiot with a cause getting one who can then run and hide.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 12:26:10 AM

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Well, this is not as funny as it seems. Iran is going to get a nuke in the next 2-3 years. Israel already has some 30-50 warheads. And both countries have enough guts to use them.

I know it's quite far from the West Coast but we are going to get some radiation fallout too.

If the Israelis and Iranians were really as crazy as that then they'd already be gone. Israel has nukes, Iran has chemicals and perhaps biologicals, Israel may have those as well. They haven't used them on each other yet. Alot of the rhetoric is often for domestic consumption. Not that's not to say that accidents won't happen but the prospect of a nuclear armed Iran doesn't immediately speak of war. I mean, why would they use one? Sure they drop one or two and then they get obliterated. More likely they would develop one to discourage any attempts at "regime change."

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 12:37:00 AM

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The thread has gone on its own way

However, i think the Iranians won't even have the time to use their possible warheads...they would be obliterated immediately after the "red button" had been pushed.

The only thing that really concerns me, in terms of International Law, is that the when we, the western powers( yes, ok, the US and its vassals), decide that one country cannot have that kind of weapon, we say something like : it's our RIGHT to stop this procedure..... right???? well...If tomorrow Italy would decide( yes i know it won't but...) to have its own nuke, and someone, that already has it, would come up to me saying: "No, you cannot, because i don't want you to grow stronger as me"....well...believe me: i'd go really pissed off.

That said i don't want Iran to have the nukes. If it was for me, Iran should had always been a British protectorate, like India, Pakistan etc etc... So i'm ok to stop the Iranian Nuclear program, i just don't like the way they defend their choices behind the words RIGHT or LAW...which are much more serious things.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 12:48:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

The thread has gone on its own way

However, i think the Iranians won't even have the time to use their possible warheads...they would be obliterated immediately after the "red button" had been pushed.

The only thing that really concerns me, in terms of International Law, is that the when we, the western powers( yes, ok, the US and its vassals), decide that one country cannot have that kind of weapon, we say something like : it's our RIGHT to stop this procedure..... right???? well...If tomorrow Italy would decide( yes i know it won't but...) to have its own nuke, and someone, that already has it, would come up to me saying: "No, you cannot, because i don't want you to grow stronger as me"....well...believe me: i'd go really pissed off.

That said i don't want Iran to have the nukes. If it was for me, Iran should had always been a British protectorate, like India, Pakistan etc etc... So i'm ok to stop the Iranian Nuclear program, i just don't like the way they defend their choices behind the words RIGHT or LAW...which are much more serious things.

And the only way to keep them from having nukes - when all is said and done - is to DO something about it, however distasteful that may be. I don't like it any more than the next fella, but it's the hard, adult reality of the world. If you want to see what happens when everything is handled in the (powerless) courts (whether international or not) check out Rwanda, Bosnia, the Kurds, etc., et al, ad infinitum.

"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Winnie was right. (I think it was Winnie ... ?)

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 1:06:06 AM

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Its just you Gen.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 2:06:23 AM

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That means WITP keeps selling?

I had the same impression. A lot of new players. After an year and half, this game is still selling at 70$, amazing...
After WIE, I hope that Matrix & 2by3 will consider developing WITP II

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 2:20:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
If tomorrow Italy would decide( yes i know it won't but...) to have its own nuke, and someone, that already has it, would come up to me saying: "No, you cannot, because i don't want you to grow stronger as me"....well...believe me: i'd go really pissed off.

Hmm... Looks like we are going straight to the General Forum.

But�. I can't stop posting. Almost like the "King of Dorks".

The question is not about who is allowed or who is not allowed to have a nuke. The question is why would someone need a nuke? Iran has no enemies except US. So they need it for protection from US? Ha-ha, like it's going to help them.

As far as I understand elections in Iran were falsified to bring into power a hardliner, former terrorist (or freedom fighter, whatever).
Now this guy keeps jabbering about moving Israel to Alaska, or may be Switzerland, denies Holocaust (which is a criminal offence pretty much in all democratic states), predicts apocalypses and eradication of Jews.

He sounds like a lunatic. Well, look in the eyes of that guy. It's like looking at the rattle snake. He will kill millions without holding a breath.

Now I don't think US is going to invade Iran in any case (or even initiate some kind of embargo). China would never approve any kind of embargo because they need independent from US source of oil.

If pressed too hard Iran could stop oil exports (15-20% of world's output), they can survive without flat screen TV and computers. If situation escalates they would mine Ormuz straits or sink some blockade ships there, effectively cutting off another 40% of oil.

So i think the best solution would be B-2 strike on all nuclear facilities in Iran. Not going to happen. So i think we will see Israelis trying to do the same with 3rd generation jets. Unless Russians sell to Iran their advanced SAMs. Something better than US Patriot, S300M(?).

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 4:57:20 PM

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As someone who was at receiving end of US "stick" at one time in my life, I must say I can understand Iranian point of view and why they want to have nuclear weapons. Sadly, we still live in a world where force and not International law is what counts.
But am I comfortable with Iran having nuclear weapon? No, I'm not sure that Iranian government's grip on power is so firm to guarantee control on it... to much influence by Mullahs for my taste.

What all of this has to do with WitP is beyond me anyway

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:02:01 PM

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What all of this has to do with WitP is beyond me anyway

It has to do with WitP III, the "yet to be history" version

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:05:23 PM

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It has to do with WitP III, the "yet to be history" version

Shouldn't that be War in the Gulf III or something like that

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God forbid we are proven right on this one...

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:08:21 PM

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Shouldn't that be War in the Gulf III or something like that ?

Naw, I'm betting India or Korea will go up before the Gulf

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:29:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: Mr.Frag

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Shouldn't that be War in the Gulf III or something like that ?

Naw, I'm betting India or Korea will go up before the Gulf

Why India? Pakistan?

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:34:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: testarossa

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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
If tomorrow Italy would decide( yes i know it won't but...) to have its own nuke, and someone, that already has it, would come up to me saying: "No, you cannot, because i don't want you to grow stronger as me"....well...believe me: i'd go really pissed off.

Hmm... Looks like we are going straight to the General Forum.

But�. I can't stop posting. Almost like the "King of Dorks".

The question is not about who is allowed or who is not allowed to have a nuke. The question is why would someone need a nuke? Iran has no enemies except US. So they need it for protection from US? Ha-ha, like it's going to help them.

As far as I understand elections in Iran were falsified to bring into power a hardliner, former terrorist (or freedom fighter, whatever).
Now this guy keeps jabbering about moving Israel to Alaska, or may be Switzerland, denies Holocaust (which is a criminal offence pretty much in all democratic states), predicts apocalypses and eradication of Jews.

He sounds like a lunatic. Well, look in the eyes of that guy. It's like looking at the rattle snake. He will kill millions without holding a breath.

Now I don't think US is going to invade Iran in any case (or even initiate some kind of embargo). China would never approve any kind of embargo because they need independent from US source of oil.

If pressed too hard Iran could stop oil exports (15-20% of world's output), they can survive without flat screen TV and computers. If situation escalates they would mine Ormuz straits or sink some blockade ships there, effectively cutting off another 40% of oil.

So i think the best solution would be B-2 strike on all nuclear facilities in Iran. Not going to happen. So i think we will see Israelis trying to do the same with 3rd generation jets. Unless Russians sell to Iran their advanced SAMs. Something better than US Patriot, S300M(?).

This reads like a post written by an American...

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 5:41:27 PM

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Why India? Pakistan?

Cause they just don't seem to like each other and they have the tools to have the toys.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 6:19:25 PM

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I spent two years in Iran, right up until the revolution. These people are religious fanatics who won't think twice about popping a nuke in Israel or America.

My prediction...

Israel will do the ugly house cleaning. They have the testicular fortitude, and will be willing to endure the 2 or 3 years of criticism before it dies down. And although they will never admit it...most of the Arab world (the Sunni part) will thank them for it, because after us infidels are wiped out, the Iranians will start eyeballing the Sunni.

We won't do it because the Liberals have enough power to stop it. Even if Iran managed to set one off here, the Liberals would demand we look at the "root causes" first.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 7:15:25 PM

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These people are religious fanatics

Let me guess, you've forgotten about a little thing called the Crusades?

Everyone who believes in something is a fanatic to someone else who doesn't ... odd but true ... the western world is simply money fanatics instead of religious fanatics

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 7:26:12 PM

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I think India and Pakastan prove my earlier point. You'll be hard pressed to find two nations that hate each other's guts more....they have nukes. They havn't used em. Thats because like with the US and USSR, one uses em...so does the other. both lose.

I don't think Iran would be any different. Their leaders are not stupid....however.....if one warhead were to fall into or be given to some fanatic and set loose... yikes. Osama wouldn't hesitate to use one. Any nation that did use one even without a retaliation would be ostracized from world society.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 8:15:42 PM

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I don't worry about governments using them. Governments can't hide. I worry about some idiot with a cause getting one who can then run and hide.

I am not sure a single person could get one, move it to the target location and detonate without a lot of help from certain enemy governments, actively or passively.

As to whether they would use it because of "certain annihilation" they are betting (just as the Japanese) that there will be no strong arm reaction, questioning the victims will to fight back and to the degree of total war to be used. This is what enemies of the US rely on when attacking the states.

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 8:20:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: JReb

As to whether they would use it because of "certain annihilation" they are betting (just as the Japanese) that there will be no strong arm reaction, questioning the victims will to fight back and to the degree of total war to be used. This is what enemies of the US rely on when attacking the states.

I would think that question got answered on 9/11

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RE: is it only me or.... - 1/20/2006 9:44:05 PM

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