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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:06:08 PM   
Mike Solli


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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:09:59 PM   
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Any recommendations on DOS-emulators?? i have a few old games i'd like to try...


not off hand. I duel boot my older machine so it has Win98 and Xp. any old DOS resident games i have i play on that machine. I have emulators for the Apple IIe, and Atari800 and Atari 2600 console however

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:17:13 PM   
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Nik, I had it for the Atari 800. The Atari 400 was the one with the McDonald cash register style keyborad and only 16K of memory as I recall. The 800 had a whopping 64K.


Yes....I bought my 400 with 16K and a tape drive for files. (with a summer's worth of paper boy $$ )

later I upgraded it to a whopping 48K so i could really be smokin......(and get those SSI games!!!!!!)

later i saved up for a disk drive...what a technological marvel it was back then....those cute 5 1/4 floppies.....no bbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE for 15 minutes when the tape drive is loading.

then i bought an Atari 800......never did get to use that second cartridge slot. Had it for years...only recently tossed it. after 15 years, the disks finally started going bad


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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:37:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh.. i had an old S-100 bus computer called TANO Outpost II. Ugghh... it was an industrial computer (this back about 1978), but it would break at the drop of a hat. The home computer market was just getting started. i looked at an Apple, but they couldn't get the software to load, so i left the store...

i later upgraded to a TRS-80 model 3...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:40:58 PM   
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yukko....my condolences....almost as bad as Timex Sinclair.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:48:39 PM   
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TRS?

yukko....my condolences....almost as bad as Timex Sinclair.


Oh, not so bad as THAT!!

I had them (various ones, heavily modified) until the late 80's, then switched over to IBM-type systems. But my first hard drive was a 5 megabyte monster was for a TRS-80 model 4. It was an external drive about the size of a bread box. It was great!!

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 8:57:29 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:00:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our family's first home computer was from a company called the Digital Group back in '75, I think. They mailed you the boards, case and the chips and it was up to you to put it together. It took my dad until '76 to really get it running. My dad would soulder (spelling) the chips onto the bords and my mother would help him check it. It was a Z80 micro and had a CRT that looked more like an oscilliscope than a monitor. It had a number of adjustment knobs that had to be dialed in frequently to get the text to display properly. An interesting feature was that it originally had a duel tape deck (that you also had to be together) which could index multiple programs per tape, something I envied when I first got my Atari and had to load each program onto a different tape.

I remember my dad running diagnostics on the printer late at night as I was falling asleep. I used to hear BZZZZZZZZZZ chunk clunk as I went to sleep. To this day when I hear an old dot matrix printer it makes me sleepy.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:02:04 PM   
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lol...when the first PC's came out, i took one look at that ugly bulky thing and its ugly computer games and said..."God, i'll never buy one of those




Yeah, the graphics were pretty hideous. I mainly used it for other stuff (word processing, etc.) though. Fun to play the text-based games on it, though.

Better than the Outpost II, though. I pretty much had to write most of my own software for that beast. I did find a few stupid games for S-100 bus, but most of them wouldn't work (sorry, no refunds!!) So i thought the TRS-80 was marvelous by comparison.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:05:42 PM   
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I remember my dad running diagnostics on the printer late at night as I was falling asleep. I used to hear BZZZZZZZZZZ chunk clunk as I went to sleep. To this day when I hear an old dot matrix printer it makes me sleepy.


oooh - dot matrix! You WERE fancy!!

First *serious* printer i had was an old IBM selectric literally the size of a desk (not counting some pieces of junk that broke after 2 days of use). Some semi-local guy had figured out a way to interface it. Later i upgraded to dot-matrix...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:06:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was late coming to the PC age as a result, not that i missed much. Finally one summer day my dad brought home an old 8088 PC from work....with a built in 40 MEG drive! (wow!!!!!)

spent many hundreds of hours playing Silent Service II and Second front on it. The processor had it's hands full with both, particularily Second Front...a combat phase took a long time to play out.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:14:15 PM   
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I remember my dad running diagnostics on the printer late at night as I was falling asleep. I used to hear BZZZZZZZZZZ chunk clunk as I went to sleep. To this day when I hear an old dot matrix printer it makes me sleepy.


oooh - dot matrix! You WERE fancy!!

First *serious* printer i had was an old IBM selectric literally the size of a desk (not counting some pieces of junk that broke after 2 days of use). Some semi-local guy had figured out a way to interface it. Later i upgraded to dot-matrix...

That Z80 system was interesting. A real mix of "cutting-edge" technology (tape deck and printer) and old-school junk (monitor).

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:15:39 PM   
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I was late coming to the PC age as a result, not that i missed much. Finally one summer day my dad brought home an old 8088 PC from work....with a built in 40 MEG drive! (wow!!!!!)

spent many hundreds of hours playing Silent Service II and Second front on it. The processor had it's hands full with both, particularily Second Front...a combat phase took a long time to play out.


by PC do you mean IBM-type? was the Atari before or after this??

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:16:07 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:22:55 PM   
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http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:24:05 PM   
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by PC do you mean IBM-type? was the Atari before or after this??


Yes, IBM PC-clone using an 8088 processor (I think that was the processor right before the 286 (which for you PC history savy people should give you an idea of how slow this machine was... )

This was around 1990ish so it was well after the age of Atari. later in life, my first self purchased PC was a 486/SX-33 (later upgraded to DX-66) with 4 whopping megs of memory!!!!!!! and a 300?mg drive. Life in the fast lane. (well it ran "X-wing" very well)




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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:26:03 PM   
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Yes, IBM PC-clone using an 8088 processor (I think that was the processor right before the 286 (which for you PC history savy people should give you an idea of how slow this machine was... )



Ah yes, I think I remember that one. The CPU was powered by an arthritic field mouse in a wheel, right?

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:30:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		yep, you could hear it squeeking during the computer orders phase.........(little wisps of smoke might come out of the case too at times)

Try to load up WitP and the poor thing would go bzzzz.....then explode



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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:31:25 PM   
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Yes, IBM PC-clone using an 8088 processor (I think that was the processor right before the 286 (which for you PC history savy people should give you an idea of how slow this machine was... )



Ah yes, I think I remember that one. The CPU was powered by an arthritic field mouse in a wheel, right?


still beat out the 8080 processor...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:31:31 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:32:12 PM   
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This is the one I use:

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1



Thanks! i'll check this out...

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:32:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		As I recall the 8088 came out about the same time, or slightly before the 8086. A littel different architecture between the two, though i don't recall what the difference was supposed to be. THe 8086 became the basis for design for the 286 which came out about 1990. To me that was the real birth of the home PC for the masses.

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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:32:32 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:33:39 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:33:58 PM   
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Ahh, the tape deck. I remember patiently waiting for 20 or more minutes for the game to load. It worked maybe 50% of the time.


Yes, and the upload usually failed about 19.8 minutes into the 20 minute load cycle.


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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:34:42 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:36:36 PM   
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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:41:31 PM   
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lets see...

8088/8086
286
386 - used one at work!
486
Pentium (586)
Pentium II (686)
Pentium III (786)
Pentium IV (886)

i know they dropped the x86 clementure with the Pentium so the pseudo numbers probably don't apply from II onwards if there were subtantial changes. Went from 486 to my first Pentium around 94. LoL, my computer purchases have increased power exponentially with nearly each purchase.

first upgrade 486 33Mhz....(33 - 66) 4meg RAM
then another small jump to 90 with the first Pentium model. 16meg RAM
Then upgraded the processor to 266Mhz which was smoking hot at the time.
Next machine was 300MHz Pentium II 256Meg RAM

I was fortunate in that my machine remained viable enough that i was able to skip the entire Pentium III series and went straight to IV....1.4MHz,512Meg RAM then replaced motherboard, RAMBUS memory and process making it it's current 2.0MHz wth a gig of RAM (and LO....Windows XP finally started working well enough to replace 98 as the main O/S)

Still have the above but its the secondary machine now....the Alienware Laptop (P4 3.6MHz dual processors 2 gig RAM) is the primary vehicle now. A Doom 3 ultra quality level playing machine. Can process a WitP AI orders phase in under 20-25 seconds.



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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:43:12 PM   
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Ahh, the tape deck. I remember patiently waiting for 20 or more minutes for the game to load. It worked maybe 50% of the time.


Yes, and the upload usually failed about 19.8 minutes into the 20 minute load cycle.



Ah, now THERE was a memory......


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RE: Test Thread - 2/3/2006 9:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't recall any flashing stripes, but then again I was probably off doing something else while the load was occuring.

Of course, if we want to talk antiquated systems, I remember going to my dad's work. He was a sim programmer for NASA. He'd take me on a tour of those computer systems that took up entire rooms. unfortunately, other than the size of the CPUs, they weren't all that impressive to a 10 year old boy. Mainly they just sat in these incredibly bright flourescently lit rooms going HMMMMMMMMMMM. I do recall watching the operators though in the tape room changing out the programs that were loaded on reel style tape decks. They all wore those white tyvek style clean suits. Now those were the days.

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