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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:03:06 PM

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OK Australia!

Australia in this past month and a half was hard work and nothing else. I had like 10-15 units broken into pieces. Major units like 2 USMC were scattered over 4-5 bases very far apart. Transports, reinforcements, resupplies, desperate withdrawals and evacuations by air, floatplane, sea, and submarine, were going on when I took over.

It is no small wonder I didn't lose any unit to infamous "unit disappearance bug" in all this chaos

(Or maybe I did but I didn't notice.)

Anyway, things are slowly shaping up, and it is very rewarding to see it all come together. Units not belonging to either Australia or SWPAC commands are being gathered in Perth, Brisbane and Syndey, and slowly shipped back to where they belong - India or PH (no other place to go). But it's a long way to Tipperary.... travel to Madras or PH take weeks if not months to complete.

I have pretty strict area command authorities in this game, that I will explain later, and take care to pay PPs when I, say, send North Pac unit to Noumea (which I won't do anyway so it's a bad example). Based on my lunacy game vs Mogami, I believe keeping to area commands as Allies is major factor in having an enjoyable and realistic game. I think there should be more mechanisms to keep players in place, not let them use Alaska units in Papua etc. Directly and indirectly it would help with many perceived problems of this system.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:15:18 PM

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Subs you see on the picture are AI controlled. AI sends them on partol, I wouldn't.

Thursday island was used as evacuation base for failed Gasmata operation. Having completed the evacuation, everything from Thursday except for one small airsupport base, was brought back to Australia to resr and refit.

PM has 800 APs (all of them ANZAC, because I won't use US & English there for religious reasons) + fort 9 + 250+ AV support so it works as major airbase. Some of air support units are US, because Australians have so little air support units it would be impossible for them to keep the major airbase by themselves.

We had some interesting duels over PM, because he stubbornly continues attacking. I don't think it is smart for him, but hey.

For example on 2nd Sept:

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 150
A6M3 Zero x 21
G4M1 Betty x 153
H8K Emily x 6

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 22
Hurricane II x 6
Kittyhawk I x 16
P-40B Tomahawk x 5
P-40E Warhawk x 41

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 53 destroyed, 3 damaged
A6M3 Zero: 1 damaged
G4M1 Betty: 3 destroyed, 15 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 5 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 31 destroyed
Hurricane II: 6 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 13 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 35 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 5 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 9 destroyed
SBD Dauntless: 3 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed
Walrus: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
117 casualties reported

Airbase hits 26
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 87

Numerically I lost more planes, but he's losing valuable Zero pilots, for what? BTW I have no problems with PM supplies, so if he's attacking to destroy PM supplies and make by boys starve he's wrong.

On 4th Sept:

Day Air attack on Port Moresby , at 53,91

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 83
G4M1 Betty x 148
H8K Emily x 2

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 8
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12
Kittyhawk I x 13
P-40B Tomahawk x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 39 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 19 destroyed, 24 damaged
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 4 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
Kittyhawk I: 8 destroyed
P-40B Tomahawk: 2 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 22 destroyed
Catalina I: 1 destroyed
Beaufort V-IX: 1 destroyed
B-26B Marauder: 4 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 22

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:27:08 PM

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Finally, by mid September he stopped his annoying attacks there. I welcomed the end of air combats, simply because I wanted to finish my reshuffling of forces in relative peace. I will give him plenty of fights later.

Note on screenshot above that he sent significant submarine forces to interfere with my PM-Australia conwoys, which were very frequent during September. Result of his sumbarine offensive in the area were very poor, he lost 3-4 subs to my air and DDs. and I can't remember if I lost a single AK.

After I organized North Australia somewhat, I started my own air offensive from PM. Purpose of this is threefolds:

a) to train pilots
b) to maintain the maskirovka that I am about to attack somewhere in this area (which I am not)
c) to give something to do to my short-legged and/or SWPAC/Aus squadrons

I picked Gili Gili, because it suits me on all accounts: it does look like very probable next goal for the Allies (recon says he has 9 units there).

For days, my aircraft keep pounding the empty GG airfield to rubble, making it 100% damaged. One day he sets the classic "fighter trap":

Day Air attack on Gili Gili , at 56,94

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 49

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 60
Kittyhawk I x 13
Walrus x 7
P-40B Tomahawk x 9
P-40E Warhawk x 99
A-20B Boston x 72
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-26B Marauder x 45

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 82 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 36 destroyed
Kittyhawk I: 6 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-40B Tomahawk: 5 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 53 destroyed
A-20B Boston: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 76

LOL dude... another aerial massacre, that this game is full of (obviously it's BG's style of play). Again, I lost more aircraft on paper, but it does not tell the whole story. Closer analysis of the results reveals that he used his CV daitais in setting this trap:

PO1 Kamisaka O. of AI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 10
PO2 Bando M. of AII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 7
1LT Jenkins N. of 18th FS is credited with kill number 8
1LT Jenkins N. of 18th FS is credited with kill number 9
PO1 Araki B. of DII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6
WO Nakajima F. of DII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4
LTJG Morita I. of CII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
PO1 Banno C. of CII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
1LT Scott C. of VMF-221 is credited with kill number 2
1LT Marshall J. of VMF-221 is credited with kill number 2
1LT Irvine H. of VMF-221 is credited with kill number 4
PO2 Kumagaya E. of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2
WO Nakajima F. of DII-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 5

Thosa are his elite KB daitais, he sent to defend GG, and they lost 82 Zeros + pilots to AA in one day? Having seen this, his "vicotry" seems less attractive.

Furthermore....

Since he used CV daitais to do landbased work, I conclude he is giving up ever again using his CVs offensively, in blue water operations. I ASSUME he will use them only defensively, quite possibly hiding the ships in Japan, and using their daitais from landbases. I mean, if he plans to send KB with 40 EXP rookies to fight, we might see Mariana Turkey shoot some years too early.

After the above battle, I continued my attacks without having stopped them for a single day, while he retreated, so I am doing a good job

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:30:36 PM

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In all this reshuffling, Darwin in North Australia, was down to a single small airbase unit, so I could not (and will not) be able to base major air units there until I bring some larger airbase unit. He sensed this, and decided to send airstrikes towards Darwin. He sent many, this is just an example:

Day Air attack on Darwin , at 36,84

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 6
G3M Nell x 24
G4M1 Betty x 38
Ki-48 Lily x 55
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
Wirraway x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
G4M1 Betty: 1 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Wirraway: 1 destroyed
B-17E Fortress: 2 destroyed

Resources hits 2
Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 29

Since I haven't had many airunits there the damage was limited to supplies, mostly (once he caught couple AKs and MSW in harbor, sunk and damaged some).

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:33:52 PM

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So, I have like 40-50 units in Brisbane, waiting transport to PH (mostly), units for India are already shipped back (some still wait in Brisbane).

In South Pacific, a Division and big airbase unit are taken from Noumea and are being shipped back to PH. New Zealanders are being brought in Numea.

When I took over there were 3-5 units in PH, now there are over 40, including 3 army divisions (Marines are still in Oz, waiting to go back), when I took over there were 12 aircraft in PH (PBY unit), now there is 500 aircraft there....

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:40:55 PM

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how many turns a day do you do Oleg?

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 7:46:34 PM

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OK here is the territorial division of commands I use for this game.

1 is SEAC, English and their friends, it's very simple, whatever is assigned to SEAC goes here. By mid-43 I expect SEAC to control the marked area on the map. (Perhaps not the whole Malaya, but certainly parts of Burma with some bases in North Sumatra).

2. is China, screwed up to the max in this game. They will defend, survive, and perhaps be used to base airforces there.

3. is ANZAC. This huuuge area is sole responsibility of Australia and NZ commands, plus airbase units initially assigned to SWPAC. No SOPAC units will be wasted there, and no huge non-airbase US (let anole UK) will be sent there. So, no US infantry units here (when I took over there were dozens, including two Marine divisions, 3 or 4 army divisions, Canadian brigade...)

There is I believe one US army division assigned to SWPAC, that I don't know what to do with. I may actually go against the above rule and leave them in the area for the time being.

4. is SOPAC. All SOPAC units are to prep and plan on retaking the red dots in this area, but they will not attack from the south, raher from the north. So, for the time being, all SOPAC units are to be shipped to PH and prepare there.

5. is CENTPAC + NORPAC + SOPAC in reserve until operations vs Gilberts commence in earnest. This incredibly huge force will be concetrated in this area, which means - Wake.

North Pacific and West Coast are not marked on the map, because it's like obvious. Alaska and Aleutians are obviously backwater, and will receive breadcrumbs (currently, two RCTs and 3-4 small baseunits + 3 PBY units, I do not plan to send anything else there).

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:00:33 PM

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4. (SOPAC) on the map above is currently the emptiest area on the map when it comes to Allied units. My bases there are completely empty except for Canton which will have one medium airbase (90 AS) + CD unit, and Palmyra which has one small airbase unit. All SOPAC, CENTPAC and NORPAC units (save for couple in Alaska) are to be shipped to PH (or are already there).

These are my USN plans:

Purple is Phase One, recapture of Wake, to be completed in Oct 42 (this means now, as we're already some days in Oct)

Green is Phase Two, Marcus and/or Eniwetok (depedning on his defences). I am boarding 3 full divisions (unfortunatelly, infantry, not Marines, as they are still in Oz where my predecessors shipped them), plus 4 RCTs and innumerable smaller units in PH as we speak, and plan to offload 1 division on Wake. It should be enough, if not I will immediatelly offload another. If I don't take Wake with two divisions I will do sepukku on the roof of turret A of my flagship (BB Washington).

I will immediatelly fly recon over Marcus and Eniwetok, and if I see them empty or weakly defended will proceed with Green phase immediatelly and have major bases on Marcus and/or Eniwetok by New Year 43. If I find them strongly defended, which I think is unlikely, given the concetration of forces in the south in this game, I will postpone Eniwetok deadline to End Feb 43.

Surprise, and speed are everything, because I believe my opponent still believes I am concetrated in Australia and I must capitalize on that.

Yellow is phase three, now SOPAC units, that I kept in reserve so far, finally come into play, and they invade, islolate, destroy and mop up the Gilberts. Deadline for having all dots in this area in allied hands is End March 43, with some tougher fortresses taking perhaps longer to subdue.

After that I'll see what to do next

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:04:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

how many turns a day do you do Oleg?

Depends on many factors, but on average I can do quite a lot. Now while I wait for THE PATCH (you know, the patch?

) to start new game(s) I have only two games active, even though phenomenally brilliant Call of Duty 2 takes some of free time too.

I can do many turns. With Mog in lunacy series and in UV days doing 6-8 turns per day wasn't unheard of, once routine sets in. With BG we usually do 2-3 per day (it may slow down when major operations get underway).

O.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:10:53 PM

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wow....must be nice....am i the only one here with a life?

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:15:09 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

wow....must be nice....am i the only one here with a life?

Why? You're not, I do have a life (2 kids + wife, 2 cats, job....).... it's just that gaming is an important part of it

With routine games where you don't have to think much once wheels are set in motion, I do many turns at work. I write this from office (Mike introducing WITP windowed mode was a blessing because then you can swiftly manipulate windows

)

O.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:16:55 PM

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Anyhow, what do you all lurkers say about my brilliant Allied strategy?

Do you silently admire me for what I already did - intruduced order and planning into what was pure chaos when I took over? No need to be so silent, speak up

O.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:19:46 PM

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Yes...i know....i've become the master of the 5min WitP turn.

I still only have time per day for 1 turn per PBEM. lol. are you sure your wife isn't of the inflatable variety?

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:20:55 PM

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early days yet General.....looks like your opponent might have gotten a little complacent with "Victory disease" given the quality of the opposition till now. Maybe after the wake up call at Kuching things will get dicier for you.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/10/2006 8:24:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

Yes...i know....i've become the master of the 5min WitP turn. I still only have time per day for 1 turn per PBEM. lol. are you sure your wife isn't of the inflatable variety?

LOL

she ain't, but she's with me for, what, geez it's 16 years now. I am in routine, July 42 phase of my relationship. You know - low maintenance 5 minute turns

You youngster and your girlfriend you are still in Dec 41, turns lasting for hours, maintenance intensive stuff

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/11/2006 9:15:12 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Anyhow, what do you all lurkers say about my brilliant Allied strategy?

Do you silently admire me for what I already did - intruduced order and planning into what was pure chaos when I took over? No need to be so silent, speak up

O.

I think you are making big mistake with pulling off units from Australia. Your predecessor in this game knows what he was doing - fortress Australia

Seriously, i'm interested about supply situation in the China...(that's becomes my opsession, i 'admit

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/11/2006 3:18:11 PM

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I think you are making big mistake with pulling off units from Australia. Your predecessor in this game knows what he was doing - fortress Australia

Seriously, i'm interested about supply situation in the China...(that's becomes my opsession, i 'admit)

Are you just being ironic with fortress Australia? It's valid concept, say in spring 42, but by now Allies should be thinking offensively, not "fortressively".

China supply is another of myths some players created about this game - I don't know whether it's Allied fanboi myth or Japanese fanboi myth in this case

In other words, China supply is just fine. In cities I hold. Group of units isolated in thet damn roadless forrest is slowly dying, of course, as is the group isolated near Lanchow (or whatever is the name). But cities I am able to hold like Kunming and Chungking are quite OK, I can build stuff there (Kunming overbuilt to 5 airbase, Chungking overbuilt to 7 airbase), and supply number is either in white or in pink.

Yesterday, 11th Oct 42 he renewed his bombing offensive on Chungking:

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 16
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 93
Ki-51 Sonia x 32
Ki-21 Sally x 63
Ki-48 Lily x 17
Ki-49 Helen x 46

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 9
Spitfire Vb x 7

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 6 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 9 destroyed, 3 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 8 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 destroyed
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 8 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 4 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Heavy Industry hits 54
Airbase hits 7
Runway hits 18

He is targeting industry.

He lost slightly more aircraft than me, and city was defended by relatively small fighter foces. Unfortunatelly, my presdecessors shipped 5-6 UK fighter units to Australia, so once he attacks multiple targets in China-Burma area I simply don't have enough fighters to protect them all (at least until I bring back fighters from Australia)

Now I admit I don't know the details of how China supply works? Can he screw me by bombing industry there? In my games as Japanese I did my own bombing offensives targeting industry or resources or both, but it never had any effect on Chinese war capability and my opponents laughed at my face. I think China has some self-producing minimal supply system that is independent of resources or industry, am I right?

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/11/2006 3:35:52 PM

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yes i was sarcastic, of course

As for chinese bases, as far as i know there is three sources of supply

1) Burma road (500 supply per day )
2) resource centers + HI
3) supply that is producted in the base and can not be destroyed - several bases have such producition Chunkging, some of the northern China base... you can check in base screen for those cities... so yes you are right...

I can recall there was complete list of China supply producition posted on the forum. I found these numbers (Jim Burns)

Ok I’ve taken some time to look at China’s supply demands and here’s what I’ve come up with. Average monthly consumption numbers for unit types are as follows, these numbers can fluctuate quite a bit, but this is for an average unit doing nothing more than digging in:

HQ_____________190 total of 36 HQ’s = 6840 month
Base Force_______100 total of 18 Base forces = 1800
Division_________276 total of 18 divisions = 4968
Corps___________650 total of 72 Corps = 46800

Total monthly supply consumption for stationary Chinese army = 60408
Total daily usage 2013

Supply production:

Base income = 1200 day (these 4 bases are the supply/300 producing bases)
Resource income = 2220 supply day and 2775 resources day
Oil income = 1350 oil day
Heavy Industry income = 1350 supply day (assuming oil is distributed perfectly to max production, actual production is far less)
Burma Road income = 500 supply day (I think it’s 500 a day my memory is fuzzy on this)

Total daily supply production = 4770 or 5270 with Burma Road.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/12/2006 10:54:32 PM

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Okay, another update. I hope to make more frequent, albeit shorter updates from now on. Idea was to post long series of posts describing the situation when I took over the Allied command, then another longish series describing what happened in the last month and a half, ie in the period between I took over the game and decided to publish an AAR.

From now on I'll be commenting the game in "real time" ie as it happens. But I will avoid posting endless copy/pastes from combatreport.txt, I will post only what's important, and will usually aggregate couple days (or week, or more, depending on circumstances) into one post.

OK, so in China-India-Burma he started yet another aerial offensive, I think I forgot to post this, major air battle over Chungking on 10th Oct:

Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 17
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 27
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 131
Ki-51 Sonia x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 77
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 54

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 42
Spitfire Vb x 13

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 20 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 44 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 4 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 37 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 7 destroyed

Heavy Industry hits 65
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 25

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/12/2006 11:05:38 PM

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Around 10th Oct he also sent a surface force, based around couple CAs, from Rangoon to bombard Akyab. I have my own RN surface fleet in Diamond harbor and it is based round Valiant and Warspite, so at least on paper I am stronger than him.

However, since previous Allied commanders depleted India of almost all power, losing any of the ships would seriously cripple RN, so I am not very willing to risk them.

Recon reveals 120+ fighters + 180+ bombers in Rangoon, some of them most certainly torpedo carrying Bettys, and I don't want to risk having BBs loitering around Akyab in the morning...

So, basically, I let him bombard Akyab, destroying 10s of fighters on the ground there. I see no strategic importance in that.

Not satisfied merely with naval bombardment, he also decided to send the airstrikes, like on 11th Oct:

apanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 14
G4M1 Betty x 15
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 49
Ki-21 Sally x 85
Ki-48 Lily x 21
Ki-46-II Dinah x 2

Allied aircraft
Fulmar x 1
Hurricane II x 5
Spitfire Vb x 3
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 3 destroyed, 5 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Fulmar: 1 damaged
Hurricane II: 5 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 10 destroyed
Catalina I: 1 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 66

This attack, coupled with similar attack on Chunking, was accompanied with this comment in the email:

"given up on chungking and Akyab?"

LOL dude... to which I replied paraphrasing JP Jones:

"I haven't even begin to fight."

But, seriously, I hate those small, distracting, inconclusive air battles. I don't like having them forced upon me, but hey...

OK, so he smashed my fighters in Akyab, and I pulled them back for the time being (I didn't pull back from Chungking though). AVG is down to 2 operational planes (I have lots of pilots though, as they don't die when their aircraft are destroyed on ground).

More UK fighters are on transports coming back from Australia but those transports are SLOWWWWWwwww. When I get those back I'll be able to fight on even terms.

I DID retaliate, though, by sending strike vs Rangoon airfields:

Day Air attack on Rangoon , at 29,34

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3
Ki-27 Nate x 6
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 11
Wellington III x 37
B-25C Mitchell x 63

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 4 destroyed
Ki-27 Nate: 11 destroyed
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 5 destroyed
L3Y Tina: 3 destroyed
Ki-21 Sally: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Wellington III: 4 destroyed, 12 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 3 destroyed, 9 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
226 casualties reported
Guns lost 8

Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 46

Actual Japanese losses were around double of that, so it was a good strike.

I didn't repeat it the next day, though I was tempted, because I expect him to bring lots of fighters. I switched to night strikes, which, though much less effective, I guess must be annoying nonetheless:

Allied aircraft
Blenheim IV x 4
Wellington III x 3
B-25C Mitchell x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ib Oscar: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Wellington III: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 1

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/12/2006 11:11:41 PM

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Elsewhere, I kept air pressure on Gili Gili, maintaining the maskirovka pretence that I am about to land there:

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 23
Walrus x 6
A-20B Boston x 62
B-25C Mitchell x 24
B-26B Marauder x 48

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
71 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 111

Only when I realised he is, apparently, trying to make Lae into major airbase, did I switch targets to Lae:

On 13th:

Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 13

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 29
Kittyhawk I x 23
P-40E Warhawk x 102
A-20B Boston x 67
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-26B Marauder x 49
B-17E Fortress x 48

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 15 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Kittyhawk I: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
320 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

Airbase hits 27
Airbase supply hits 14
Runway hits 177

and on 14th:

Day Air attack on Lae , at 54,87

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk I x 23
P-40E Warhawk x 39
A-20B Boston x 61
B-25C Mitchell x 31
B-26B Marauder x 47
B-17E Fortress x 40

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 12 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
124 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 89

His actual losses were twice that (I don't know why game constantly reports losses on the ground at 50% actual losses?). His pilots mostly survived I guess, but losing 50-some Zaros in two days should send him a clear message: don't make any hex in the "escortable" range from PM into major airbase. "Escortable range" from PM is currently 5 hexes as I have only Kittys there - so it means "stay out of Lea and Gili Gili" - but first P-38s are trickling in so the "escortable range" is about to expand mwaghagahahahahah...

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/12/2006 11:14:03 PM

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And before I continue, he moved all his units in Burma to Rangoon, which I think is smart, as I have no wish to march to Myitkyina or Mandalay overland. I may land paras there.... do I have any para capable unit in India? Are Chindits para capable? Need to check I guess...

Rangoon now has 20+ units and it would be stupid to try to land there (not that I ever planned to do that in the foreseeable future anyway)

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/12/2006 11:29:27 PM

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But that is all driblets or as Germans would call it � "Kleinkrieg". Real important stuff is happening elsewhere ie in Central Pacific.

Around 10th Oct mega armada started forming in the PH-FFS area (Pearl Harbor-Freedom, pardon me French Frigate Shoals).

Now this is fun. I had specialised photo recon F-5 suqdron on PH. I didn't want to use it to recon Wake, because I think that would send him alarming note that I am about to invade. Daily Catalina and Coronado overflies are usual stuff all around the Pacific, but having the only specialised photo recon unit in the area sends a clear message.

So I sent F-5 unit to Midway, and I thought I cancelled any orders they might had, but it' wasn't so. They remaned on "recon" and picked their own target and it was you guessed it � Wake.

So, on 10th Oct, while I was assembling my mega armada, I had my "rogue" F-5 unit give up my game. But they also proved why dedicated photo recon units are SO MUCH better to do recon job than anything else. They reported 20k+ troops on Wake, and gave me good picture of his air assets there (0 fighers, 0 bombers, 20 some others).

20k+ troops in 6 units?? Does that mean he sneaked a division there? Regular Coronado recon gave me 4k troops, 6 units. Hmmm, deciding not to take chances, I loaded ANOTHER division in PH (the one I said I will keep in reserve). I loaded more RCTs, more of everything (except, sadly, engineers, which I lack, as my predecessors shipped them to Australia).

I also rerouted one smaller conwoy coming from Australia, and carrying one division from Noumea. I wanted to drop those guys in PH and give them some rest, but now they are rerouted towards Wake.

All in all I have 140k+ troops converging on Wake, supported by all CVs I have, two strong BB surface TFs, and ****load of minesweepers. By all means this should do a job.

Once my game is up, I continued daily recon by F-5s and they repoted number of troops raising daily, but slowly: 21k, 22k, 24k... it's currently at 25k+. I think he realised I am about to hit him there, and started airlanding forces using his long range transport aircraft. The good news is � Wake is so far away from any of his bases, he won't be able to send his short range smaller aircraft (Kates and Vals) there, and the airbase level of 3 is too small to support Betties, so it's now or never. The only question is will he send his CVs? My bet is that he won't but even if he does I am ready. My CV fleet is still weaker than his (he can theoretically gather 350-400 aircraft to 260 mine) but it will not be enough to stop an invasion fleet this massive. I am ready to exchange couple CVs to take Wake.

It is also possible that his CVs, if he keeps them in the GG-Shortland-Rabaul area, simply won't come on time to attack my invasion fleet before it unloads.

Picture shows the position of my invasion armada on 15th Oct.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/13/2006 7:18:59 PM

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16th Oct and it's obvious that invasion of Wake is imminent.

This what BG says in email:

"haha, it would take one million men 100 years to conquer wake!"

OMG I am scared now, do I call off the invasion??

Recon says he has 25k men there, and noticable lack of guns. Is this an IJA division, airtransported there, without heavy guns? Or is something altogether more terrifying?

We're about to see. I ordered 2 B-24 bomber units to bomb Wake port from Midway. B-24 is the only aircraft that can reach Wake on it's extreme range, and there is not much sense in bombing airfield, since it's level 3 (not capable of servicing Betties) and he has only 12 floatplanes there according to my recon.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/13/2006 7:37:35 PM

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hah, that's what i like about this game! paranoia syndrom

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You can try with air attack on his ground units so you will get (limited) info about his actual strengh on the Wake

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/13/2006 9:54:20 PM

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Oooo this is going to be too easy...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/17/42

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
CL Perth
CA Chicago
CA Chester
CA Northampton
CA Portland
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Arizona

Japanese ground losses:
4633 casualties reported
Guns lost 10

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 144
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 3

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Day Air attack on Wake Island , at 82,63

Allied aircraft
PB2Y Coronado x 5
F-5A Lightning x 5
B-24D Liberator x 76

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
17 casualties reported

Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 4

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

Japanese ground losses:
1272 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 19
Port hits 6
Port fuel hits 9
Port supply hits 4

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1004
TF 1004 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
1417 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8335 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 15192 troops, 157 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
30 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 15142 troops, 155 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 13342 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese ground losses:
1431 casualties reported
Guns lost 17

Allied ground losses:
362 casualties reported
Guns lost 27

Wake will fall in day or two - it appears he has two Naval Guard units there, plus a SNLF, and two baseforces. The only question is whether his CVs are on the way to disrupt my plans or whether he keeps them in some safe place. Based on his mails, I assume he thinks this whole Wake thing is just a distraction, and that "main attack" (whatever it might be) will fall somewhere else. Bwaghahaha

In other news...

He continues attacks on Chungking, even if they prove to be rather costly for him, yesterday:

Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 25
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 138
Ki-51 Sonia x 27
Ki-21 Sally x 81
Ki-48 Lily x 27
Ki-49 Helen x 54

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 19
Spitfire Vb x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 11 destroyed
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 23 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 4 damaged
Ki-48 Lily: 2 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 18 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 7 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported

Resources hits 56
Airbase hits 6
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

and today:

Day Air attack on Chungking , at 43,32

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 13
Ki-61 KAIc Tony x 81
Ki-51 Sonia x 35
Ki-21 Sally x 67
Ki-48 Lily x 21
Ki-49 Helen x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane II x 13
Spitfire Vb x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61 KAIc Tony: 9 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
Ki-21 Sally: 7 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane II: 20 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 7 destroyed

Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported

Airbase hits 22
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 128

Other than being bloody annoying I don't know what purpose those attacks have. His success in China, vs my predecessors has been overwhelming, but he does not seriously hope he can take Chungking just like that?? What other reason there might be for bombing? If I were him, I'd strictly play defence in China from now on, just place couple divisions in every "border" base location, and use the rest, and especially airforce, elsewhere...

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/13/2006 10:14:29 PM

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Teeheee. It was an interesting read as I was one of the commanders preceding you. I had to quit all of my WitP games in late autumn because of RL issues, so it wasn't a morale issue for me. Atleast I personally felt that I was doing fine. Looking at your reports however it seems that there was atleast one commander after me and before you. I only managed to play about a month ingame I think before I had to quit. Sad really.

I know I started prepping for the Akyab operation, but I never landed or even launched the ships. Akyab was empty at the time I sent out my forces.

I also was planning to do the good old basehopping around the PNG. Gili-Gili -> Buna -> Lae etc. That's why I concentrated a lot of forces and air into PM and Thursday Island. We had HUGE attrition battles over PM with BossGnome. But luckily, every time I was down to less than 50 fighters he was also exhausted so the attacks slowed down for a week or two. I think I also bombed the snot out of Rabaul once in a surprise raid, but I can't be sure, might have been another game.

I have NO idea what that US division was doing marching around the rockies. When I did the last turn, Yorktown was just past Pago Pago with system damage 98. When I recieved her she was sys 99 and docked at Noumea I think.

In china the units walking south from Lanchow were originally just out of Lanchow. I ordered them to make for Chungking, the reasoning behind that was that they were out of action anyway, might as well try and get them into Chungking where I could rebuild them. I also recall gathering transport planes all over the map to get an airbridge working to China.

I used Imphal as a training airfield I think.

If you have any questions I'll gladly try and answer them

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/14/2006 1:08:40 AM

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Yeah I have a question for you String, why did you send so much STUFF down to Australia?

Why man WHY?? LOL

No, seriously, I think there was a guy between you and me. There was a guy between you and me - LOL Brokeback Pacific.

Game was started by Italian guy (I know because he sent me his password), then there was you, and I guess at least one other guy before I took over.

What was the period (in game) when you were in command? Did you hold Rabaul while in command? Did you lose any CVs (or sunk any of his CVs)? Can you give me any details on the state of his fleet? Perhaps some of his CVs were damaged and are being repaired, I don't know about it, and I do my plans as if all his CVs (except those that are sunk) are readily available.

O.

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/14/2006 1:15:40 AM

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Wake is mine, bwaghahaha

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 10/18/42

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1004
TF 1004 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

4 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
697 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1062
TF 1062 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

28 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Phoenix, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Allied ground losses:
1222 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1071
TF 1071 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

Allied ground losses:
315 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1074
TF 1074 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

Allied ground losses:
214 casualties reported

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Allied Ships
CL Perth
CA Chicago
CA Chester
CA Northampton
CA Portland
BB Mississippi
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Arizona

Japanese ground losses:
227 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 23
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

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Naval bombardment of Wake Island, at 82,63

Allied Ships
CA Vincennes
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
CA Astoria
CA New Orleans
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 7
Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 1

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1004
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TF 1004 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

TF 1004 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

Allied Ships
MSW Vireo

Allied ground losses:
42 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1062
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TF 1062 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

TF 1062 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied ground losses:
810 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1071
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TF 1071 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

TF 1071 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

Allied ground losses:
394 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Wake Island, 82,63, firing at TF 1074
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TF 1074 encounters mine field at Wake Island (82,63)

TF 1074 troops unloading over beach at Wake Island, 82,63

Allied Ships
DMS Wasmuth

Allied ground losses:
205 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on 61st Naval Guard Unit, at 82,63

Allied aircraft
PB2Y Coronado x 1
F-5A Lightning x 2
B-24D Liberator x 51

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
76 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
16 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet
9 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 6000 feet

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 7204 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62176 troops, 554 guns, 43 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

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Ground combat at Wake Island

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 49771 troops, 546 guns, 41 vehicles

Defending force 10751 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied assault odds: 115 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Wake Island base !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E7K2 Alf: 5 destroyed

Japanese ground losses:
12713 casualties reported
Guns lost 19

Allied ground losses:
355 casualties reported
Guns lost 17
Vehicles lost 1

In other news, he continues to pound Chungking and Akyab into rubble, even after I pulled back remnants of my fighter units from there. As I said annoying, but hey....

Most of his units on Wake are elliminated, one unit retreated to Wilkes island and is refusing to surrender, we will eliminate them tomorrow. Recon, heavy bomber and flying boat units were dispatched to Wake immediatelly, with orders to fly over Eniwetok and Marcus tomorrow. I have at least two divisions still on ships (they never got orders to unload) ready to reroute them towards Eniwetok and/or Marcus if they are empty.

Obviously, with like billion men commited to South Seas, Japanese neglected their defences in central Pacific, just like I expected mwaghahahaha

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RE: Bloody Shambles: BossGnome vs. Oleg - 2/14/2006 1:50:25 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Oleg Mastruko

Yeah I have a question for you String, why did you send so much STUFF down to Australia?

Why man WHY?? LOL

No, seriously, I think there was a guy between you and me. There was a guy between you and me - LOL Brokeback Pacific.

Game was started by Italian guy (I know because he sent me his password), then there was you, and I guess at least one other guy before I took over.

What was the period (in game) when you were in command? Did you hold Rabaul while in command? Did you lose any CVs (or sunk any of his CVs)? Can you give me any details on the state of his fleet? Perhaps some of his CVs were damaged and are being repaired, I don't know about it, and I do my plans as if all his CVs (except those that are sunk) are readily available.

O.

I was in command from somewhere in may 1942 to june/july 1942.

I sent a lot of stuff to Australia so I could mount an campain along the eastern coast of PNG. I didn't like the thought of prepping an invasion under the air threat in PM, so eastern coast of australia was a logical choice. I did not send the units running rampant all over australia though, Brisbane and Townsville were the two main bases.

When I got my command the battle for rabaul was already over and the remnants of the garrison there had retreated to Gasmata. I couldn't pick them up by sea so I started concentrating subs into the area to sub transport them out. I didn't even realize that the auto-sub ops were on. I never use that and frankly, I had forgotten about it.

In Burma he had just thrown the british forces out of mandalay/mykitina apparently. Thats why the units there were on the trails.

When I played, most of his carrier fleet was out of action, and according to my predecessor most of his BB's were also damaged.
Atleast one big CV, Kaga I think was supposed to be very heavily damaged. So it might still be in the yards. All I did with my CV's was to try and get them into west coast so they could upgrade and repair.

IIRC I also sent some of the RN to australia, but which parts, I can't remember.

I sank a few of his ships (most notably a CA i think) in a surface intercept off Gili Gili. Besides that, only a few transports were sunk when they tried to resupply Lae.

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