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What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 10:40:35 PM

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Anyone found a use for the Oz squadron of Walruses? They seem to just sit around and take up space.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 10:47:28 PM

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Their good for flying Aussie surfers to remote locations in the East Indies.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 10:50:58 PM

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I leave them in Sydney and fly air search. There's usually a fair amount of ship traffic in the area because of the repair yard and I'd want to see any subs lurking around. Lets me keep the longer range search planes up at the front.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 10:55:53 PM

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I too keep them in Sydney. As much as anything since I don't want them wasting Av support on the frontline

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 11:03:24 PM

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Seriously, I believe if any British ships that carry these are need of a replacement, these are your only source. That's why their good to have around.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/18/2006 11:04:26 PM

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there good for rescuing downed pilots

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 12:40:19 AM

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Coo, Coo, Cachoo?

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 1:24:12 AM

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Coo, Coo, Cachoo?

mmmm, ya think lennon was on any chemicals when he come up with that

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 1:27:39 AM

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Anyone found a use for the Oz squadron of Walruses? They seem to just sit around and take up space.

ASW and naval search what else?

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 1:32:12 AM

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Walrus's are one of two allied float planes that will launch daylight bombing attacks. You can base them at an AV and go after the Japanese. The ship based ones will do the same. This is historically accurate by the way, the Brits were very aggressive with the Walrus.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 1:56:03 AM

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I do wish all the Walrus squadrons in the Pacific/CBI were represented in game, be nice if the Ansion Units were in game to.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 7:05:30 AM

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Walrus's are one of two allied float planes that will launch daylight bombing attacks. You can base them at an AV and go after the Japanese. The ship based ones will do the same. This is historically accurate by the way, the Brits were very aggressive with the Walrus.

OK, this is probably a really dumb question, but allied AV can't carry planes I thought, or do you mean to base them at an island with an AV?

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 7:17:39 AM

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Hi, Base them at an island with an AV. Japanese AV can't operate unless they are at a base with supply they just get to carry the ac to the new location. It's best to off load them before using them. Japanese CS can operate while underway. There are a number of Japanese AV with a load value of 1. These are best used to support Patrol planes or float planes the only difference is they can't carry a group to the base. (1 float plane is not much use)

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 7:21:36 AM

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Thanks

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 7:22:38 AM

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I was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 12:08:26 PM

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was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that

The progenitor of the Spit was also a floatplane ! (Supermarine Racer).

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 2:09:32 PM

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I pull the small groups off their ships and deploy them at exposed forward bases.
Better to risk them than some of the more valuable search groups.

This also places an airfield icon on the base.
I use the in this deception role quite often.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 8:13:04 PM

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was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that

The progenitor of the Spit was also a floatplane ! (Supermarine Racer).

This is tickling a vague memory I have of reading an article about this. Didn't the RN have plans for the Spitfire early on, but it go defeated by the Navy beuruacracy and they got Fulmars instead. As I recall there were a lot of politics that slowed the arrival of the Spits.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 10:14:07 PM

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I believe you are correct. Same era as the "one-launch Hurricanes" which would be catapulted from cargo ships before ditching, (for good).

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 11:03:03 PM

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There were actually two or three versions of the Spitfire developed into a float fighter - floatplane->fighter->floatfighter? - but they never saw widespread service.

"With superb performance and a top speed of 377 mph, the Spitfire Mk IX (Float) was the fastest floatplane of the entire war."

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 11:30:55 PM

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This is tickling a vague memory I have of reading an article about this. Didn't the RN have plans for the Spitfire early on, but it go defeated by the Navy beuruacracy and they got Fulmars instead. As I recall there were a lot of politics that slowed the arrival of the Spits.

The early seafires were canceled by the air ministry, Lord Beverbrook had been moved to the Ministry of aircraft production to improve fighter production in early 1940 and sea spitfires were one low priority item that was cancelled !

Blame the observer mafia in the admiralty for the fulmar

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 11:33:04 PM

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was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that

The progenitor of the Spit was also a floatplane ! (Supermarine Racer).

This is tickling a vague memory I have of reading an article about this. Didn't the RN have plans for the Spitfire early on, but it go defeated by the Navy beuruacracy and they got Fulmars instead. As I recall there were a lot of politics that slowed the arrival of the Spits.

And some sense. Spitfires without folding wings would have had to stay in the deck park and be exposed to salt. Not a great idea during peacetime given the way the UK Government spends money on things that don't obviously need fixing.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/19/2006 11:53:17 PM

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And some sense. Spitfires without folding wings would have had to stay in the deck park and be exposed to salt. Not a great idea during peacetime given the way the UK Government spends money on things that don't obviously need fixing.

The plans were for the spitfires to have folding wings, I don't think the work got as far as a prototype before the project was cancelled.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 12:35:06 AM

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was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that

The progenitor of the Spit was also a floatplane ! (Supermarine Racer).

This is tickling a vague memory I have of reading an article about this. Didn't the RN have plans for the Spitfire early on, but it go defeated by the Navy beuruacracy and they got Fulmars instead. As I recall there were a lot of politics that slowed the arrival of the Spits.

And some sense. Spitfires without folding wings would have had to stay in the deck park and be exposed to salt. Not a great idea during peacetime given the way the UK Government spends money on things that don't obviously need fixing.

The article I read, I can't begin to remember where now, hinted that it was primairly internal politics in the Navy that caused the cancellation of the Spitfire. The company that made the Fulmar, can't recall who now, had strong connections to the Navy. However, the first planes delivered under-performed in many important areas and while the company managed to fix this problem in some later versions I think motivated the Navy to look elsewhere for the next fighter.

This discussion just wets my apetite for a Mediteranian version of WitP. For while the Fulmar was Zero bait, how did it fair against the Italian AF. Better I suspect.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 1:08:31 AM

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It was Fairey who built the Fulmar.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 2:36:44 AM

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For while the Fulmar was Zero bait, how did it fair against the Italian AF. Better I suspect.

The Fulmar was the most successfull FAA fighter in terms of numbers of aircraft shot down (claimed)

not bad for a dive bomber !

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 10:32:23 AM

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I was just doing some basic research on the Walrus and found out that it was made by Supermarine. That makes it kissing cousins with the Spitfire. Who'd of thought that.

Not only was it made by Supermarine.... it was built in the same factory.

Caption was: Spitfire fuselages under construction at Supermarine's Itchen plant in 1939. Walrus amphibians can be seen in the background.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 10:52:46 AM

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Hi, Base them at an island with an AV. Japanese AV can't operate unless they are at a base with supply they just get to carry the ac to the new location. It's best to off load them before using them. Japanese CS can operate while underway. There are a number of Japanese AV with a load value of 1. These are best used to support Patrol planes or float planes the only difference is they can't carry a group to the base. (1 float plane is not much use)

Um are you QUITE sure? I seem to recall operating japanese AV (the ones with 8-12 capacity) based floatplanes out in the open sea many times.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 10:55:57 AM

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And some sense. Spitfires without folding wings would have had to stay in the deck park and be exposed to salt. Not a great idea during peacetime given the way the UK Government spends money on things that don't obviously need fixing.

The plans were for the spitfires to have folding wings, I don't think the work got as far as a prototype before the project was cancelled.

cheers

Folding wings were extra weight and engineering hassle--I can see why the prototype was cancelled. The Japanese had folding wing-tips on the A6M2, and removed them on later models. The folding wings on the F4F4 reduced its effectiveness in combat.

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RE: What good is a Walrus - 2/20/2006 10:57:51 AM

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Take a look at my rating for the Fulmar. That was based on operational statistics.

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