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How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/6/2006 6:28:22 PM

Riun T

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I just thought since I'm up to my nuts in snow and don't have anything serious to do today, that I'd post the results of the three completed long Campaigns that I've been compareing and scrutinizing for differances in unit preformance and so all of u can give me your input.
The first camp. was as the British and was played on ver. 8.3 with no changes from defaults except troop rarity off, fast Arrty off and a couple of secs added to messages.

Battles fought 29
Marginal Victories 6
Decisive Victories 14
Draws 9
Total campaign score 48

Next came a USMC campaign with the same prefs, but added 3 air sections available to both sides.

Battles fought 28
MV's 6
DV's 12
Draws 10
Total 42
And finally just finished the Canadian campaign and gave them the same 3 air sections for both sides

Battles fought 43
MV's 12
DV's 17
Draws 14
Total campaign score 63

Thought I should mention also that I changed to ver. 8.4 on the 12th battle in the Marine campaign and have to say that I'm really not sure who I could compare the overall stratigies to ?? and would love to hear any of your results and depictions. P.S. if someone would be kind enough to point me in the direction of a good screen capture program that they've had sucessful and not to difficult or time consuming use of I could really show ya. RT

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/6/2006 7:57:44 PM

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Thought I should mention also that I changed to ver. 8.4 on the 12th battle in the Marine campaign and have to say that I'm really not sure who I could compare the overall stratigies to ?? and would love to hear any of your results and depictions. P.S. if someone would be kind enough to point me in the direction of a good screen capture program that they've had sucessful and not to difficult or time consuming use of I could really show ya. RT

Check out this thread Riun.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=956558&mpage=1&key=uosu&#

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/6/2006 9:14:14 PM

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Thanks for the pointer IB my friend whos the real computer guru is coming over tonight and will help me get this going. Do u have to have it in jpeg or MP3 fromat to put the pictures on the SP forum and is it a copy paste or drag and drop kind of use to that point??

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/6/2006 9:21:13 PM

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The program has to be open when you use SPWAW. Do not select the Jpeg Compression button, it won't work properly. In the SPWAW (With UOSU open in background) just press "Print Screen" and you have the picture in the folder UOSU is pointing at (Select the folder you want it to place the picture). It's in bmp -format. Change it to jpeg for example with Paint -program. It will reduce the file size so that you'll be able to upload it here.

Any help?

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/6/2006 9:25:38 PM

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Thanks bunches Korpraali, and is it strange of me to want to be able to give TBT a visual slap in the face with all the trimmings

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/7/2006 1:25:02 PM

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Riun T, statistics of how many victories you won don't mean much without adding how much of bonus (positive or negative) you gave the AI, how many artillery guns you used, force proportions, and casualty lists.

And those with beer guts and bald heads should not threaten violence against those well trained and hard bodied.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/7/2006 3:18:32 PM

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And those with beer guts and bald heads should not threaten violence against those well trained and hard bodied.

I don't think he was threatening violence. I think he meant virtual instead of visual. Or even if he meant visual, he meant to do it using screenshots. Not by applying a whoopin' behind the woodshed to you. My interpretation. Take it for what it is worth--I know, not much.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/7/2006 4:52:36 PM

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TBT and tyrone, I'm glad u both have responded and for that matter give a dam about anything I say. My story in short is a 39 year old 10 year vet of the North Saskatchewan infantry Regiment here in snowy old saskatoon. Went to Croatia in 84 and Somalia in 93 and got to DO THE REAL THING so to speak. Having to retire from injuries incured threw this actions and an overall reckless lifestyle, I've still managed to keep a clean trim 5'10" 175 pound frame that can still benchpress 240 and keep my 20 or so Nachimo RYU ninjutsu students a run for their money at 5 of them at a time SONNY

SO take me as simple as you will. I'm just sayin as far as the game and the forum go do u understand how a guy like me, who has really seen the SH*t, Does enjoy being able to parouse the topics with a little more of the wisdom that works. in the game and maybe even in real life. You live it like ya want it buddy, I just think if you wanted more respect around here you should probably come up with something more personally original than this HAIG trype and be better at backing up your speeches. Lets take what I asked u about the French vs germans battle u tried to use as an EG. Have u got any reason as to why u would call that many casualties and lost that much ground {VH's} without exiting any units?? or did u just not read that far into the manual to see what the real objective is of a delay?? simple questions buddy and I think we're all waiting for some answers RT

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/8/2006 5:30:15 AM

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Ruin, I can beat 10 ninjas in a fight and benchpress twice that much. So what's next? A challenge to meet you behind the 7-11 on 10th & Alma after sunset?

As for vets, you assume that everyone else including me is not a veteran. The internet spawns both many an assumption and many a fantasy. There are good vets who have grit and are commited to their force but they are few. The rest are those who hide behind something big and hard with their gun pointing around the corner firing blindly at nothing like you do. That's why it takes on average 15,000 bullets in a modern battle to kill a man. And most casualties are caused by the grenades and mortars thrown forth by an enemy who is but trying to coax you out to fight like a real man.

Next you continue to insult my tactics and the picture story I posted. You have neither read the text nor looked at the pictures cause there it says plainly that units are exiting the map. You complain about me not backing up what I say after I posted 2 full battle picture sequences. Not everyone can be as creative and intelligent as you are Riun.

As a tiny favor Ruin, could you use proper sentences in your next rant so it will be easier to decipher. Thanks.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/8/2006 6:22:39 AM

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What ever u say sweety, ANd the Names pronounced REEun. decypher that. I guess a whole bunch of us are humbled by your greatness, and I will get this screen shot business straightened out and try and show u that I don't have to haggle and over explain a resulted DRAW. Have u ever had this force setup ever give u a DV? and u still didn't tell me what turn the battle ended at?
I tried looking for where u said it says some stuff exited and only see one crew at the end sentence, just b4 brit force morale broken,, there is mention above the second pic. that its turn 8 did it stop there??? and what of the final points score coupled with the morale loss ?? mission accomplished?? I fight with normal difficulty but AI advantage turned on most times. My core is 3500 points for all arms which usually is an HQ with a recce patrol attached, a company of inf. a company of engineers a squad of inf mortars 81mm a squad of FH usually 4 25lders and transport for all, leaning toward the M2 halftracks with 25 tanks of assorted variety. I'll try to get this capture thing going tommorow and u can compare this delay I was doing to give me some pointers.

P.S. do us a favor and do the math based on your battle with gunny, and your french thing , and work out what the %age of victory points all your surviving units would amount to, minus what u started with and then the same for the enemy forces, I think you'll find the AI and gunny still came out with the better remaining #'s, and in a long campaign thats all that really counts if u have any intention of continuing the camp. in the first place

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/8/2006 7:17:00 AM

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Ruin, so you are going to have 6 times as many units as I do with higher quality stats and many tanks versus an AI of half the strength of the one I fought. Your strength odds are 1:1.5 versus my odds of 1:8.5 favoring the AI. Gee ya, you must be so intelligent to beat the AI like that. I did that when I first played Steel panthers and quickly got bored of the unending, easy wins. Try playing the same odds I do with no artillery (I had none) and using a minor nation like I did. I doubt you can work up the bottle to do that.

You should think about the logic of what you are saying before posting. I could spread tuna over my mouse button and have my cat lick its way to a victory with that setup you use.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/8/2006 8:50:02 AM

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How do u get stats like that outta my using the canadians from 39?? and a delay still gives 2:1 for the attackers doesn't it , my point is "the game" by the value in points that each kill and unit destroyed represent,gives a certain amount of experience, leadership,and fighting capacity thats learned threw battle is deligated as a result, Haig never let alot of his underlings survive long enough to learn the required charicaturistics or in game turms get more campaign score!. Like what u were saying about purchasing Fluff Units, what point are u trying to make?
That a said force would have done worse or better against tank panic with the fluffy headquarters or without....Haig never worried enough about the effect of variables like this or the ammo trucks which keep all your beleagered troops firing. The delay I was talking about that I wanna show ya was at Setard 1/ 12/44 where when the battle ended in turn 4 in a DV my jaw dropped. the AI thought it best to send 10 jagdtigers out together in the north middle on turn 2 and with a vis of 17 he was stacking SS grenediers and sp ops squads on them!! ... I only started my engineers mineing at turn 2 cause I thought a couple of the Achillies IIc's I had couldn't see them yet!!. How do u think old Haigs tactics would have stood up to crack SS riding on the toughest clam to crack on any battlefield when the tanks and dismounting troops have open sight to fire,and all of the same support points that I had to make do with to buy the same point value Arrty,He had no less than 18 mortars on the field, I had 8 and at least 3 105 off board batteries, I had one british support CO. and so on. I get downright preterbed, when I can't find a good way in prefs. or otherwise to make average canadian troops on shermans and churchhills fight like fanatical nava SS on indestructable mountains of tempered Steel with 128mm cannons and MG42s And for my 25 tanks I stopped counting after 60 for the germans. I don't see its possible to call the odds like that in this one. RT

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 5:38:26 AM

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Yet another effort to get these screenshots going. RT

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 8:25:33 AM

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For my own amusement, I decided to utilize Haig Tactics in a scenario, with the idea of going with Proven combined arms tactics against the disproven Haig "tactics". This is not a pretty map, so don't expect it to be released unless I feel like doing a bit of detail work to spruce it up.

Effectively, I have three lines of German defense vs the Polish assault. The first line is something I could clear using my usual tactics within 3 turns if I'm unlucky on my shots and assaults. The Germans are actually at a disadvantage, consisting of 2 companies of infantry backed by a number of MG bunkers and Rifle pits, and two panzer cos and a light panzer co. Placement is random, so that HQ units are usually seperated from their units. There is 4 batteries and 1 section (16) 75mm howitzers and the 81mm mortars the two infantry cos came with.

The polish forces have 4 cos of infantry, (which include ATRs and mortars) and 4 squadrons of calvary backed by an equal number of howitzers to the Germans. The polish have a superiority in sheer numbers, AT capability, and artillery. Every Calvary squadron is paired with a infantry company and a platoon of tanks.

Thus far, even with my advanced knowledge of the German positions and superior forces, the first line has stalemated the poles. The northern part of the force has advanced without much damage, but the south has lost a lot of men. The southern most calvary squadron is down to less than half strength, and their paired infantry co has lost around a quarter strength. Next force up is down about 10%. Top two have only recieved light fire, but they were farther back from the German first line than the others.

Needless to say, while I have no doubts that even Haig tactics can break through the German's front line (I built the damn map, and placed their forces, I should know), but the losses thus far clearly indicates that the next phase of defense will likely be it. They may break through that even, but the losses will be too much, and they will not be able to do much against the final, strongest line. It'll be a simple matter to sweep back with a counter attack, and take the forward VHs.

I won't say so much for Hiag Tactics, since this battle's not over, but I've got to say I have little hope this polish exercise will go well.

Once this exercise is over, I'm going to build a WWI-esque trench map. Again, it'll be as unpretty as possible, and utilize a combined German army against a British Infantry and Calvary assault.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 2:11:23 PM

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Hey Riun.

That screenshot of the summary came through.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 7:27:40 PM

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Thanks again IB I was first trying to jpg them with too much quality and they where comming out at over 200Kb but I think I fanagaled it to workin. Expect many more boys

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 8:21:22 PM

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Hey azaelck, I was wondering which polish calv. u used and what their AT weapons where? Molitov equipped??? RT

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/9/2006 9:48:53 PM

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I cannot spell that without going back into the game and looking it up. And they came with three towed ATGs per squadron, 37mm IIRC. Probably the Cav themselves carried either molotovs or satchel charges at best. Better than the Germans, who's AT is mostly Panzer IIs. Unfortunately, I have to do laundry, and I can't hear the dryer or washer from my room, so I'm having to mess around on the den computer; which hasn't got the scenario on it. So I'm not going to be able to finish playing the first for a while.

I went ahead and started making the second test map. Especially since I realized I forgot to set the mines up in the first in deployment.

Thus far, I decided on 6 British inf companies for that one, backed by a substantial arty force (howitzers, 18 of them; plus the 81mm and 2" mortars each comapny has allready) and 2 engineer cos to clear out mines; vs 2 German inf cos, 1 Panzer co (mostly Panzer II again), 1 light panzer co (Panzer I) and a smaller artillery force, but with the added advantage of ammo dumps (this is assuming a well dug in German force, as evidenced by the MG placements, rifle pits, mines, walls, and trenches. I'm also keeping vis low, so that the Brits have a chance to break through the mine field undetected (if they don't kill themselves first). This time, I'm going to take command of the defenders; as the AI is quite capable of using mass infantry/calvary charges on it's own. Since I'm quite lazy, I'm also going to allow my troops to fight on their own; without any command control from me. In other words, op fire, op fire, op fire.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 1:38:46 AM

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Ruin T, that screenshot you posted is very revealing of your true tactical 'abilities'. It shows you with 7312 dead versus -23673 for the Germans. This means you have lost 30985 dead more than the AI controlled Germans. Is this what you have been bragging about all along?

Feel free to ask me for advice on how to reduce your casualty lists to something less than ghastly.

asraelck, you are trying to do is emulate the way Haig conducted his battles but you are getting poor results. Being well studied in military tactics, I will give you some pointers to help you along.

Imagine that you spend years of your life diligently studying all the doctrine and strategies used by Rommel in WW2 and then were transported back in time to take his place in North Africa. Could you have done what he did? Obviously not. You would be overrun in a blink. You are an average joe with a computer game trying to imitate a famous general.

Or how about studying up on von Manstein who was second only to Ritchie as WW2's most brilliant leader. azraelck, could you have defeated Russian odds of up to 10:1 against you like Manstein did? Not a whisper of a chance. How about going back to lead Caesar's troops into Gaul? You would be surrounded and annihilated before you could say 'ave'. How about Churchill's ingenious landing at Gallipoli in WW1 which was so well designed that the Normandy landings in WW2 were modeled on it? Could you have planned the Gallipoli landings to do so well azraelck? There's a critical element you are missing azraelck that all these great leaders had.

All this is to get you thinking about why you are failing with 'Haig tactics' as you call them. What did Manstein, Caesar, Haig, Rommel, and Churchill have that you don't azraelck? Think long, think deep. When you have your answer you are ready to begin the first step in dealing with why you are losing.

I hope this helps.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 1:50:17 AM

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Hey tokyo u better really read this, cause its the canadians I was fighting as and the number with the minus is the totals of all battles in the camp, and I have them 23673 in the hole, Sport. and I wanted to ask why when u posted the french thing why u eliminated the overall totals on yours?

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 2:08:38 AM

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Hey tokyo u better really read this, cause its the canadians I was fighting as and the number with the minus is the totals of all battles in the camp, and I have them 23673 in the hole, Sport. and I wanted to ask why when u posted the french thing why u eliminated the overall totals on yours?

Ummm that was the first battle of my campaign. Doh!

As for your numbers Ruin, you seem to not understand mathmatics as earlier you couldn't understand the numbers in the campaign so I'll help you out. A ratio of 7312:-23673 means you add 7312 + 23673 = 30985 total relative casualties for you Ruin.

Anyways Ruin, I'm losing motivation fast in trying to explain simple logic to you over and over. Just one last question before I hang up the line, what is with your campaign of bitterness you have been waging ever since I started posting on this forum (and maybe before)? Prejudice? General foulness? Jealousy? There are several others like you on the forum but you stand above the crowd Ruin.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 2:42:09 AM

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Add me too. Im jealous that I am not the first one to notice what a pompus argogant ass you are. I suggest YOU study some Caesar, Vegitius, or Philip since these are who all the later Generals studied. They all had something you definately lack and that is Humility. Find that and you might gain a small iota of respect from this community(Which I do not speak for)

Oh and by the way AVE!

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 3:18:24 AM

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Ruin T, that screenshot you posted is very revealing of your true tactical 'abilities'. It shows you with 7312 dead versus -23673 for the Germans. This means you have lost 30985 dead more than the AI controlled Germans. Is this what you have been bragging about all along? Feel free to ask me for advice on how to reduce your casualty lists to something less than ghastly.

asraelck, you are trying to do is emulate the way Haig conducted his battles but you are getting poor results. Being well studied in military tactics, I will give you some pointers to help you along. Imagine that you spend years of your life diligently studying all the doctrine and strategies used by Rommel in WW2 and then were transported back in time to take his place in North Africa. Could you have done what he did? Obviously not. You would be overrun in a blink. You are an average joe with a computer game trying to imitate a famous general.

Or how about studying up on von Manstein who was second only to Ritchie as WW2's most brilliant leader. azraelck, could you have defeated Russian odds of up to 10:1 against you like Manstein did? Not a whisper of a chance. How about going back to lead Caesar's troops into Gaul? You would be surrounded and annihilated before you could say 'ave'. How about Churchill's ingenious landing at Gallipoli in WW1 which was so well designed that the Normandy landings in WW2 were modeled on it? Could you have planned the Gallipoli landings to do so well azraelck? There's a critical element you are missing azraelck that all these great leaders had.

All this is to get you thinking about why you are failing with 'Haig tactics' as you call them. What did Manstein, Caesar, Haig, Rommel, and Churchill have that you don't azraelck? Think long, think deep. When you have your answer you are ready to begin the first step in dealing with why you are losing.

I hope this helps.

Boy, I knew you were both arrogant and ignorant, but this takes the cake. First off, it's called byte overflow. Which means that Ruin inflicted so many casualties upon the Germans, that the game engine could not handle it. It's rather common in older games, which were written to more maximize memory usage. Nowadays, everyone uses long ints for storage, and everyone is happy. If he managed to overflow a long, that would be an incredible achievement.

What he did do, is achieve such a massive ratio of kills to killed, that it 'broke' the game, causing an erroneous negative number to be displayed. congradulations on being so completely stupid as to not realize something that I learned when I was 4 year old and did the same thing with the Might on my Knight in Might and Magic II.

secondly, don't assume you know who I am, little fool. The military channel is on 24/7 in my room, save when something pops up on the history channel. I HAVE studied the tactics and strategies of Ceasar, Hannibal, Rommel, Lee, Sherman, Patton, and more, extensively. I would sit down with both my grandfathers and argue tactics for hours on end with them, both veterans of Korea, and one of whom went on through Vietnam. And it's increasingly obvious my dog knows more than you about military tactics.

If you were dropped back in time, you would be slaughtered by your own men after the first battle ended with 75% of your force down and out. Your own DAR proved the point. I'm giving your strategy; Haig's strategy, a chance by building a scenario tilted in their favor. One a massive advantage in men and artillery, the other just having to contend with op fire; no artillery, and no countering attacks.

I am getting the same results that you got. I am getting the same results that Haig got on a real battlefield. Haig was a failure, a loser who's daddy bought him a commission because no sane army would allow such a fool to even serve in the trenches for fear that he'd shoot himself or his comrades in arms. WWI's trench stalemate, continued by such idiots as Haig was broken because more intelligent, well read officers put there foot down and started to actually think. And then the tank appeared, and using combined arms tactics, the war ended.

None of the above mentioned genreals used the moronic tactics that fail every time that haig used. Rommel did not. Churchill did not. Ceasar did not (and that was far enough back that Calvary and Infantry were pretty well it, no air power, no armored vehicles, and limited artillery; mostly geared for sieges). You bring up successful operation and commanders, then try to lump a failure, a loser who's every operation resulted in such losses that pushing a century later he's been villified. Your own DAR shows a failure. An absolute, complete failure. You refused to answer how long the battle took because it didn't take but perhaps 8 turns, 10 at best. Not even half of the 32 you should have used. My delays end at turn 3, with a complete victory. Your end at best in a draw, and then only because the game calculates differently than a real commander would. If you were so well read in military tactics, then you wouldn't view being routed from the field without barely denting an enemy force and losing the bulk of your own as a victory. The goal of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

Give me Ceasar's army, and Gaul is mine. Give me Chruchill's fleet, and Gallipoli will fall. With vonManstien's army, the Red army will be driven hard. There is something those leaders had that you lack, and Haig lacked as well. Common Goddamned horse sense.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 4:51:20 PM

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 5:37:22 PM

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Azaelck, I am greatfull you Pointed out what all us real knowledgeable players have known and taken for granted from our better players but for TBT's benefit I'll post the results screens of where I rolled the men casualties over. AND I'm flattered again that u realized and congradulated me Buddy.

RIO TANGO out.

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 6:04:44 PM

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this is the delay at pont du fahs

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 6:06:45 PM

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Anphibious Assault at Saracuse

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 6:08:33 PM

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8/43 defending at Catania

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 6:10:24 PM

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12/43 at St Ambrogio and delaying yet again

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RE: How have the rest of u been doing? - 3/10/2006 6:12:48 PM

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Enough said, OR do I have to post all the battle pics too??

Nice to know I can get my boys to kill a divisions worth !! 30000+ TBT your such a PUTZ!!

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