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Original "slow" sim option - 3/5/2006 6:42:29 AM   
redwolf1


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Status: offline 		Please allow users the option to have the sim engine utilize the in-game engine (but non-graphical) as originally planned. It is certainly acceptable to have the sim engine take quite a bit longer to sim in game if it means that stats across the league will now be directly comparable (which they actually are not otherwise).

Hope you see the benefit of this.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/5/2006 8:25:32 AM   
gambler

 

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Status: offline 		I completely agree. In addition, if there could be an option to 'Sim Remaining Games in the Week' if this "slow" sim option is used, that'd be just swell. ;)

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/5/2006 8:07:29 PM   
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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/5/2006 9:09:01 PM   
Dark Horse


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Status: offline 		Yeah, i'd like the "slow" sim put back in, also. If possible.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/6/2006 1:55:12 AM   
armyofone


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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/7/2006 5:04:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes me too or have an option for both

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/7/2006 9:15:37 PM   
GWsFBAStartOct292006


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Status: offline 		I agree

Slow- Watch every play described, with the sound of the game and profiles/game plans/plays. Like some versions of F.P.S.: F.B.P.,

Regular- With the sound of the game and profiles/game plans/plays. Like some versions of F.P.S.: F.B.P.,

Fast - No sound of the game and no profiles/game plans/plays, just super fast simming. Like some versions of F.P.S.: F.B.P., While, I would never use this option, I can understand why others prefer it; however, if I had to leave one out this would be it.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/7/2006 9:27:07 PM   
Marauders

 

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quote:

Please allow users the option to have the sim engine utilize the in-game engine (but non-graphical) as originally planned. It is certainly acceptable to have the sim engine take quite a bit longer to sim in game if it means that stats across the league will now be directly comparable (which they actually are not otherwise).


By not having the orginal sim as an option, my league will have to run the games in real time. That was my conclusion when the new sim was announced.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/8/2006 2:25:39 AM   
Magnum357

 

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Status: offline 		I think I like GWsFBAStartOct292006 idea here. Instead of taking out the current "SIM" option we have now, it would be great to have 3 choices to simulate games.

1. Current "Watch" the game in Arcade mode to get results.

2. Bring back the old "Slow" SIM option that David had built before with its engine based on the Arcade engine (ie. 3D graphics and Physics)

3. Fast SIM mode that is currently in the game right now.

Football Pro had basically 3 types of SIMing like this and I think it worked well, especailly for people that didn't like the results of "Fast SIM" games.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/8/2006 7:18:09 AM   
Marauders

 

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Football Pro had basically 3 types of SIMing like this and I think it worked well, especailly for people that didn't like the results of "Fast SIM" games.


That was what most of us wanted when this topic was brought up long ago on the old board. Experience with fast sims in other games made us a bit weary.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/8/2006 8:43:10 AM   
Maliki


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Status: offline 		That would be nice.

Even though i can't fully enjoy the game until i upgrade my computer,i've been messing around with other aspects.

I've been simming the default US football league,and one game caught my eye.First week,Houston versus..i can't remember right now.Houston was losing 33-0 going into the 4th,when they managed to pull off the greatest upset ever.They scored 37 points in the 4th quarter.Wow!

The endgame stats showed that they had a total of about 250 yards of offense compared to over 400 for the opposing team..and the only turnover of the game was by them.

Thats just not right.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/8/2006 9:06:16 PM   
Breeze

 

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Status: offline 		That might be just karma...after all, that Houston team's unis were based off the old Houston Oilers, who were on the business end of the greatest comeback in history - they were up 35-3 against the Bills but lost 41-38 in OT.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/8/2006 9:28:12 PM   
Maliki


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Breeze

That might be just karma...after all, that Houston team's unis were based off the old Houston Oilers, who were on the business end of the greatest comeback in history - they were up 35-3 against the Bills but lost 41-38 in OT.


Well i did forget to mention that there wasn't even a full quarter left.Its been a couple days,but off the top of my head i would say there was less than 6:00 minutes left.Not much to do during the sim but watch the clock and score,as the text scrolls by too fast.

That was just a really odd result.


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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/11/2006 10:40:54 PM   
Tbird


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Status: offline 		I just played an arena game for the first time and it was pretty good. Even tho it's not up to par with the real game I like the fact that you can run the ball as well as pass . The final score was 82-58 with 10 minute quarters. I then simmed 2 other games and the scores were 14-10 and 9-6 neither of the teams had over 100 yards rushing or passing.

So yea I would like the slow sim as well :)

No rush tho Dave
it's probably best to fix all existing bugs first

< Message edited by Tbird -- 3/11/2006 10:50:56 PM >

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/17/2006 6:59:59 PM   
steelcurtain

 

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Status: offline 		Have to just add a ditto....

The main reason I was excited about this game was the prospect of "real" sims. I don't care if my league stats aren't quite like the NFL, but I do care that my watch/played games compare to the simmed. Thats one of the biggest drawbacks to Madden, and was one of the great aspects of FBPro. If it takes 5-10 mins to sim no big deal.


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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/18/2006 4:38:12 AM   
Tbird


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Status: offline 		I think he said it was 60 minutes with the slow sim
or maybe 90 minutes I can't remember

But it doesn't matter how long it is just bring it back

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/18/2006 4:38:02 PM   
steelcurtain

 

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Status: offline 		I was almost postive that David said when the graphics were turned off he had it down to about 5 min per game, but he thought that was still too long. 60-90 min would be nearly worthless for me since it doesn't take much longer than that to actually watch a game.

I do hope we get some info on whether this will be remotely possible for the near future (it seems like the most popular item on this wishlist). I'm holding off starting a league, because the sim stats are way off from the watched stats. I'm afraid if I play as is I'll start wondering why I'm playing this instead of madden or fbpro98.

It might be nice to get some understanding of how this current "fast sim" actually works. Does it actually use game physics at all or is it just a simple number crunch based on play types (i.e. does the game actually run the plays from the playbook or is it basically generating random stats based on personel and simple play types like run play middle vs 3-4 zone).

Keep up the good work David, I'm glad to be supporting this type of product even if it turns out that I'm not satisfied with the results.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/19/2006 3:00:46 AM   
Magnum357

 

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Status: offline 		I sure hope David plans too bring back the old "Slow SIM" feature. I don't mind 5 minute SIMs of games, as long as the results are calculated just like if you had played the game yourself.

As for the Fast SIM games in it now, I would have to imagine most of it is probably just Math figues spitting out numbers much like a Text Based SIM.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/19/2006 11:23:37 PM   
Breeze

 

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Status: offline 		Yeah 5 minutes is not a huge deal. 60 minutes would be, but I remember the original FPS Football and having sims take an hour before we upgraded the RAM on our computer.

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/21/2006 8:53:47 AM   
Tbird


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Status: offline 		I only had time to sim one game today and it was going slow

I'm not sure if it's what we we're asking for tho can anyone else confirm. I'll recheck tomorrow after work

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/21/2006 10:01:38 AM   
Marauders

 

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Status: offline 		Here is a link to an older thread regarding this:

"New" Sim Method


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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/22/2006 4:28:56 AM   
steelcurtain

 

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Status: offline 		Heh, and in that thread David also didn't comment on the sim method...I don't think that's a good omen for the chances of this feature in the near future, but I'll add a begging smiley just it case it'll help

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/22/2006 4:35:44 AM   
Tbird


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Status: offline 		There was another thread where he talks about it
I think where it was first mentioned but it might've been on the old forums dunno

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 3/22/2006 4:48:52 AM   
Marauders

 

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There was another thread where he talks about it
I think where it was first mentioned but it might've been on the old forums dunno


I tried to look that one up, but I couldn't find it. I'll have to do another search.

As I recall, most of us on the old board were not all that happy that the sim method was going to be reworked. We were weary that the sim results would not be like the game results. Do you recall that as well, Tbird?

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/6/2006 7:52:08 AM   
BillT

 

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Status: offline 		".....I'm going to expand this dialog when I get around to putting the old simulated game system back in place. But for now, it just lets you select how many games you want to simulate at a time..... "

This is a quote from David when he released the test beta version .122
I hope this means he is going to put the slow sim back in the game. Has anyone heard anymore about this?


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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/6/2006 8:36:52 AM   
Tbird


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Can't wait

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/6/2006 11:07:18 AM   
Magnum357

 

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Status: offline 		Well, that is very encouraging news that he is considering putting the old "Slow SIM" feature back into the game. Thanks Dave!

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/7/2006 4:29:07 AM   
steelcurtain

 

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/8/2006 4:19:49 AM   
frunky

 

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Status: offline 		I won't have to sim every game in the week's schedule WOO HOO!!!

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RE: Original "slow" sim option - 4/29/2006 11:52:24 PM   
GlennN

 

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