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RE: Beta Testing - 4/7/2006 5:10:37 AM   
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Soviet armor dont think so,have the germans got supply to own panzer? attack targets of opportunity!

The status bar running across the top of the units indicates that the German armor is out of supply (the 5th box from the left is shaded in). When the second box from the left is shaded in, the unit can no longer be active during the turn (face-down to use a WIF term). For example, the USSR air units have already flown missions (most likely cause; they might have been overrun and forceably rebased too). The German artillery has apparently been used for a ground strike/bombardment earlier in the turn.

The light green outline indicates units that are eligible to move this phase (of the current impulse), and haven't moved yet.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/7/2006 6:31:17 AM   
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if yer playing live you might just be better off getting a voice program like ventrillo or skype and discuss the game while playing it. all players can actually be on at the same time, but when private discussion is needed you can kick the opposing side out for a minute and/or go on a private channel. mic's are dirt cheap, and it's a lot easier to talk about it than to write back and forth about it!


Good idea. I use Teamspeak and Ventrillo all the time for flight sims and never even thought of its use for MWiF.

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have managed to achieve a clean compile so far, but am debugging the messsage processing system I damaged in the conversion [as expected]. At least the Main unit is now down to 11,500 - still a little too large for my taste but half the size I inherited.


I feel your pain. I spend many days pulling apart other people's code and trying to work out what on Earth they were trying to do. Doing it in Pascal (the original code is Delphi isn't it?) is just adding to the torture.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/7/2006 6:52:13 AM   
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have managed to achieve a clean compile so far, but am debugging the messsage processing system I damaged in the conversion [as expected]. At least the Main unit is now down to 11,500 - still a little too large for my taste but half the size I inherited.


I feel your pain. I spend many days pulling apart other people's code and trying to work out what on Earth they were trying to do. Doing it in Pascal (the original code is Delphi isn't it?) is just adding to the torture.


I keep making progress. The program now runs as well as it did before the surgery (snuffed out the last bug from the above conversion). And I now have isolated the routines I need to modify for the Indy10 code. Bit by bit, ...

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/7/2006 5:12:23 PM   
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I feel your pain. I spend many days pulling apart other people's code and trying to work out what on Earth they were trying to do. Doing it in Pascal (the original code is Delphi isn't it?) is just adding to the torture.



Pascal is a wonderful language. Delphi is just that much better.

(I am not trying to start a religious war, but I had to say something.)

To each his own

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/7/2006 6:09:33 PM   
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if yer playing live you might just be better off getting a voice program like ventrillo or skype and discuss the game while playing it. all players can actually be on at the same time, but when private discussion is needed you can kick the opposing side out for a minute and/or go on a private channel. mic's are dirt cheap, and it's a lot easier to talk about it than to write back and forth about it!

another handy option might be a way to make a jpg of the entire map with a keypress. then if you want you can go in an editor, draw some arrows and so forth then email it to your teammates. plus it'd be nice to have to take snapshots of your game to keep and/or to post with AAR's!


That should dramtically slow down the game! Think of the delays as Jaoan kibitzs on German strategy and vice versa...

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/8/2006 1:30:48 AM   
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Pascal is a wonderful language. Delphi is just that much better.

(I am not trying to start a religious war, but I had to say something.)

To each his own



Yeah, it probably is. I've just never gotten into it. I'm just a hard core C/C++ junky.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/9/2006 2:33:52 AM   
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Go Fortran ........ Sorry, the engineering community had to weigh in


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RE: Beta Testing - 4/9/2006 4:41:03 AM   
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Go Fortran ........ Sorry, the engineering community had to weigh in





and I thougt meteorologists were the only people left on earth who used Fortran.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/9/2006 5:53:27 AM   
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Go Fortran ........ Sorry, the engineering community had to weigh in

and I thougt meteorologists were the only people left on earth who used Fortran.


Fortran taught me how to type "continue" without looking at the keyboard. Delphi is teaching me how to type "begin". By the way, formating output in Fortran was way easier than it is in C++.

What drives me crazy is that every time I start using a new language some of the the most basic things that Fortran worked out solutions to in the 1960's are now obscure and hard to do. I find looking in the index for words like "Print" and "Read File" are unlikely to yield any useful information. If you do not know the new keywords that have been invented for those functionalities in the new language, then you have a long and frustrating search ahead of you to figure out how to read plain ASCII text from a file and print it out. I have had this experience roughly every new decade that I have programmed in: 1970's, 1980's, 1990's, and the 2000's. That is a perfectly flat learning curve for people who create new languages.

Now don't get me wrong here, I like all the different languages I have worked with. But those guys who are in charge of providing basic program functions for new languages, and documenting them coherently, should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/9/2006 7:44:07 AM   
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Now don't get me wrong here, I like all the different languages I have worked with. But those guys who are in charge of providing basic program functions for new languages, and documenting them coherently, should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.


Job security. Don't need someone who will work for less (or faster, or whatever) replaceing you, using your own tools. So you make it needlessly complex to at least weed out some of the competition.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/10/2006 1:39:38 AM   
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Now don't get me wrong here, I like all the different languages I have worked with. But those guys who are in charge of providing basic program functions for new languages, and documenting them coherently, should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.


Ahmen, to that!

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/10/2006 7:17:04 AM   
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Now don't get me wrong here, I like all the different languages I have worked with. But those guys who are in charge of providing basic program functions for new languages, and documenting them coherently, should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.


Dealing with computer languages was what made me switch from software engineering to music in school.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/10/2006 9:49:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		reading this thread seems to be making me lean towards composer99's way as well. :)

no offence to all you programmers, without you id have no games to play.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/10/2006 11:32:45 AM   
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Now don't get me wrong here, I like all the different languages I have worked with. But those guys who are in charge of providing basic program functions for new languages, and documenting them coherently, should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.


hm, Dante's 5th circle - The Wrathful and Sullen - sounds as the right place for guys who need to write the docs

Greetz,

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/10/2006 11:17:58 PM   
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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 12:15:11 AM   
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If a slot opens up for a beta tester, I would love to get in (old school WIF player from the version 3 days).


.. as would most of us others waiting with baited breath.... :D

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...should be condemmed to at least the 5th level of Dante's hell.


Hell must be overflowing since the waves between langauges seem to have compressed in the last 20 years. Whenever someone claims that its "easier" to do something in any new language I just groan and prepare for the pain of unintended consequences when I try to do something simple that winds up taking me an hour or two... :D

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 12:43:31 AM   
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Whenever someone claims that its "easier" to do something in any new language I just groan and prepare for the pain of unintended consequences when I try to do something simple that winds up taking me an hour or two... :D



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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 2:03:41 AM   
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If a slot opens up for a beta tester, I would love to get in (old school WIF player from the version 3 days).


.. as would most of us others waiting with baited breath.... :D


Hee, hee ... I was one back when Chris Marinacci was running the show. I lost touch once it was sold off to Matrix Games and now I'm just a baited breath holder

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 2:31:29 AM   
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If a slot opens up for a beta tester, I would love to get in (old school WIF player from the version 3 days).


.. as would most of us others waiting with baited breath.... :D


I apologize in advance here, but I am an ex-English major and had to comment. It is "bated breath", which means to breathe shallowly in anticipation. I always picture this as lying hidden in the bushes as an enemy patrol goes by a couple of feet away.

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Greyshaft has previoulsy posted about future recruitment of beta testers. I'll ask him to repeat that post - [he is in charge of signing up beta testers].

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 6:21:33 AM   
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I apologize in advance here, but I am an ex-English major and had to comment. It is "bated breath", which means to breathe shallowly in anticipation. I always picture this as lying hidden in the bushes as an enemy patrol goes by a couple of feet away.


Hah! I guess "baited breath" probably means you've been eating the worms from the tin again then. Silly language anyway ... any language that spells phonetic with a 'ph' deserves to mis-spelt everywhere else!

Sorry ... enough off topic rambling

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 7:19:13 AM   
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any language that spells phonetic with a 'ph' deserves to mis-spelt everywhere else!

I have always taken the trouble to spelt it correctly.

How do you render phonemes in Greek roots on the planet where you live?

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 7:21:48 AM   
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I am an ex-English major

You can no more be an "ex-English major" than you can be an "ex-Marine" (unless, of course, you are retired from service to Her Majesty, but even then, you are still referred to as "Major").

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 7:55:13 AM   
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I am an ex-English major

You can no more be an "ex-English major" than you can be an "ex-Marine" (unless, of course, you are retired from service to Her Majesty, but even then, you are still referred to as "Major").


Yeah, I thought about that. Still, I wanted to convey the distinction between being in college and having actually graduated (with a 2.001).

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So you want to beta test MWiF... - 4/11/2006 12:18:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've posted this to let people know the current state of play on beta testing...

We currently have 20 people testing the product with another 20+ on the waiting list. My experience is that there is a constant turnover of testers (we've already lost two and inducted their replacements) so that everyone reading this in April 2006 has a chance the role if they stay glued to the Forum and continue to say nice things about Steve. That's an expectation... its not a promise. Having said that I have identified two release points where we will need a new group of 5+ testers so I feel confident about what I said. However don't expect the lists to reopen until sometime in the second half of the year.


In the meantime, we will keep you informed to the best of our ability consistent with the Non-Disclosure Agreements we have signed with Matrix.

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RE: So you want to beta test MWiF... - 4/11/2006 2:03:41 PM   
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RE: So you want to beta test MWiF... - 4/11/2006 3:45:53 PM   
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Hmm fat chance then!

Not really...

If I didn't think we'd be needing extra MWiF testers later this year then I'd tell you that so you could swear and curse at me now but we'd all be friends later. I'm just trying to be honest here and set people's expectations accordingly.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/11/2006 11:55:41 PM   
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I am an ex-English major

You can no more be an "ex-English major" than you can be an "ex-Marine" (unless, of course, you are retired from service to Her Majesty, but even then, you are still referred to as "Major").


Touche! There are ex-english majors and ex-English majors. Ambush thwarted.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/12/2006 6:54:08 AM   
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I have always taken the trouble to spelt it correctly.

How do you render phonemes in Greek roots on the planet where you live?


I too always take the time to spell correctly to the best of my ability. In fact, I'm often in arguement with younger users of other forums I frequent over the lack of use of punctuation, the lack of correct spelling and the use of 'SMS' terms.

I was joking about the 'ph' in phonetic. I just find it an amusing twist of the English language that it is the way it is.

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/13/2006 11:42:38 AM   
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I have always taken the trouble to spelt it correctly.

How do you render phonemes in Greek roots on the planet where you live?


I too always take the time to spell correctly to the best of my ability. In fact, I'm often in arguement with younger users of other forums I frequent over the lack of use of punctuation, the lack of correct spelling and the use of 'SMS' terms.

I was joking about the 'ph' in phonetic. I just find it an amusing twist of the English language that it is the way it is.


That would be argument, of course.

Cheers, Neilster

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RE: Beta Testing - 4/14/2006 1:31:52 AM   
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I have always taken the trouble to spelt it correctly.

How do you render phonemes in Greek roots on the planet where you live?


I too always take the time to spell correctly to the best of my ability. In fact, I'm often in arguement with younger users of other forums I frequent over the lack of use of punctuation, the lack of correct spelling and the use of 'SMS' terms.

I was joking about the 'ph' in phonetic. I just find it an amusing twist of the English language that it is the way it is.


That would be argument, of course.

Cheers, Neilster


Stupid uneducated fingers!


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