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IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 12:48:20 AM   
Mighty Atomu

 

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does it yield higher results against warships if you put 3 or 4 subs into a Wolfpack TF?

Let's call them Okami-Butais, using the Japanese word for "Wolf"...

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 7:05:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		multi sub TF's benefit from a greater chance of detecting/attacking a TF entering their hex but also suffer an enhanced chance of detection by ASW forces.

No more than 1 sub per sub TF will make an attack however per turn.



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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 1:28:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Keep your subs within patrol palnes radius will enhance detection even more.

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 1:44:27 PM   
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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 4:21:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		4 is probably a good number but i think you'll get better results using 1 sub per TF, particularily if playing IJN. IJN subs even under the new ASW rules tend to have a hard time of it once they are detected and assuming the detecting force has a good number of escorts.



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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 7:09:23 PM   
Mighty Atomu

 

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Status: offline 		Thanks Nikademus...

...so, I guess the Okami-Butais are dead as a concept... No Wolfpacks - just single Sub TFs for the IJN...

Grrr !!!

But there is an old Japanese concept anyway: Ippiki-Okami (Lone Wolf)

OK, then...

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/17/2006 9:20:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Mighty Atomu

Thanks Nikademus...

...so, I guess the Okami-Butais are dead as a concept... No Wolfpacks - just single Sub TFs for the IJN...

Grrr !!!

But there is an old Japanese concept anyway: Ippiki-Okami (Lone Wolf)

OK, then...


You can have your wolfpacks, just put one sub in each TF and then put a few of these single sub TFs in the same hex. Personally I don't see the point because this just gives the ASW side that many more chances to sink a sub with the same number of escorts.

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/18/2006 3:49:26 AM   
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Personally I don't see the point because this just gives the ASW side that many more chances to sink a sub with the same number of escorts.


Actually this is not true. The ASW TF will only attack one or at best 2 sub TFs in one turn. Where as each sub TF will get a chance to attack.

And if you look at how the Germans did their Wolf Pack attacks during the war, then you'll know that even though they got a pack into the area of a convoy the subs didn't actually talk to each other during the execution of the attack. So having multible single sub TFs in a hex is as close to having a historical Wolf Pack as your going to get.

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/18/2006 8:02:26 PM   
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I think I will go with option II - Single-sub-TFs forming Wolfpacks - and see how it goes.

Tks mucho

M

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/20/2006 1:01:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Got to say I think the new ASW reports are great.... damaged tubes, rattled bridge etc!

A question, is there an optimum height to attack subs from the air? I'm not having much success in a current set to off Cooktown, where the whole of the Jap sub force appears to be holding a convention!

Roger

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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/20/2006 1:02:35 AM   
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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/20/2006 1:13:54 AM   
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RE: IJN Submarine Wolfpacks - Okami Butais - 4/20/2006 1:35:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I just switched to 1000 feet and got four hits... last move I only got sightings....

Thanks guys.

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