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Sunk ships (12/15/1922) - 4/15/2006 1:00:15 AM   
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IJN / USN losses:

Carriers:

None.

Dreadnoughts:

BB Mutsu (16"), BB Arizona, BB California, BB Oklahoma (14")

Battleships:

BB Hizen, BB Iwami, BB Katori (12"), BB Mishishima (10"), BB Nebraska (12"), BB Monandock (10")

Battlecruisers:

BC Kongo, Haruna (14")

Cruisers:

CL Kitakami, CA Tokiwa, CL Kiso, CL Tatsuta, CL Tenryu, CL Yahagi

Destroyers:

Forty-four / Seventy

Transports:

Fifty-four / Five

Tankers

Seven / Four

Colliers:

Two

Submarines:

Nos. 14, 16, 17, 43, 47, 62, UC-99 (O5), U-125 (O1) / R-17, S-35

Minelayers:

Four / Three minelaying destroyers

Minesweepers:

Three / Six

Patrol Craft:

Five / Six

Other auxiliaries:

Fourteen gunboats, a submarine tender

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/15/2006 1:14:37 AM   
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Bataan + Manila (2100ea) + nailing PI US forces (1200) = 5600VPs I gotta match. Somehow.

Quite a few more VPs came from airfield expansions (2VPs per level).

:) I am not hoping to win this game anymore. But I am determined to make the remaining 11 months very painful for Wayne ;)

And thanks!

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YTD tonnage sunk by SSs (12/18/1922) - 4/15/2006 8:35:23 PM   
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IJN SS No. 8: 1247 (DD Buchanan)
IJN SS No. 15: 2553 (DDs Claxton, William D. Preston)
IJN SS No. 22: 615 (PC Eagle 10)
IJN SS No. 27: 615 (PC Eagle 13)
IJN SS No. 29: 4365 (PC Eagle 3, TK Montanes)
IJN SS No. 30: 3750 (AK Dos Hermanos)
IJN SS No. 37: 3750 (AK Taurus)
IJN SS No. 39: 18000 (TK Gertrude Kellogg)
IJN SS No. 40: 3750 (AK Magallanes)
IJN SS No. 45: 10400 (AP West Point, MSW Eider)
IJN SS No. 58: 1400 (MSW Pelican)
IJN SS No. 62: (Sunk 8/26/1922) 7500 (AK Georgian)
IJN SS U-55 (O3): 2015 (MSW Pelican, PC Eagle 11)
IJN SS U-125 (O1): (Sunk 11/17/1922) 18000 (TK Larry Doheny)
IJN SS UB-125 (O6): 32442 (BB Nebraska, DDs Lea, Taylor, TK Admiral Chase) The top ace.
USN SS H-4: 9700 (CA Tokiwa)
USN SS O-14: 5000 (AO Noshima)
USN SS O-16: 1516 (ML Kuroshima Maru)
USN SS R-1: 1570 (DD Hamakaze)
USN SS R-4: 15000 (AKs Nankai Maru, Natisan Maru, Sinno Maru) + 13 Mitsubishi C1M1 planes.
USN SS R-5: 6150 (AP Koyo Maru, DD Matsu)
USN SS R-7: 7500 (AK Tottori Maru)
USN SS R-8: 15750 (AP Nissen Maru #2, TK Ryuei Maru)
USN SS R-9: 7500 (AK Kosei Maru)
USN SS R-10: 11710 (AO Muroto, CL Yahagi, DD Amatsukaze)
USN SS R-11: 13500 (AP Turisima Maru, TK Itsukushima Maru)
USN SS R-12: 15000 (AKs Nissyu Maru, Sansho Maru)
USN SS R-14: 23250 (AKs Ina Maru, Malacca Maru, TK Rikko Maru)
USN SS R-15: 1516 (ML Yenoshima Maru)
USN SS R-19: 12000 (TK Kaizyo Maru)
USN SS R-20: 6750 (AP Izumo Maru)
USN SS R-21: 11250 (AKs Akiura Maru, Junpo Maru)
USN SS R-22: 9345 (AK Momoha Maru, DDs Isokaze, Kagero)
USN SS R-23: 13500 (AKs Risen Maru, Toyooka Maru, AP Shofuku Maru)
USN SS R-24: 3750 (AK Kiso Maru)
USN SS R-25: 9750 (AK Morioka Maru, AP Ryoyu Maru #21)
USN SS R-26: 18750 (AKs Hankow Maru, Kanto Maru, Nitiran Maru)
USN SS R-27: 450 (DD Urunami)
USN SS S-2: 9000 (TK Yamazuru Maru)
USN SS S-3: 1080 (DD Hinoki)
USN SS S-4: 11250 (APs Ceylon Maru, Daihachikyo Maru, Tacoma Maru)
USN SS S-6: 13882 (AK Nitii Maru, AP Taian Maru, MSWs Ashikazi Maru, Katoku Maru)
USN SS S-7: 14504 (APs Manzyu Maru, Taibun Maru, Tenyo Maru, PC Ch08)
USN SS S-9: 29520 (AKs Lyons Maru, Nana Maru, AP Igasa Maru, DD Hagi, TK Eiyo Maru) The american top ace.
USN SS S-14: 16250 (APs Buyo Maru, Husimi Maru, Sakido Maru, MSW Natsushima Maru)
USN SS S-15: 5520 (AP Biyo Maru, DD Ashi)
USN SS S-16: 20520 (AK Nitiai Maru, AP Anyo Maru, DD Nire, TK Yuho Maru)
USN SS S-17: 12112 (APs Chowa Maru, Kaedesan Maru, BB Mishishima, DD Hatsuyuki)
USN SS S-32: 1080 (DD Yanagi)
USN SS S-34: 6798 (AP Kiri Maru, MLs Katashima Maru, Ninoshima Maru, Toshima Maru)
USN SS S-35: (Sunk 12/11/1922) 3750 (AK Sugiyama Maru)

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December 15, 1922 - 4/15/2006 8:37:43 PM   
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S-34 shall now be referred to as "Minelayer Bane". It has just sunk its third IJN ML - that's 60% of total IJN ML losses...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/15/22

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ASW attack at 83,80

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Eider
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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Sub attack near Wotje at 82,79

Japanese Ships
SS No. 45

Allied Ships
MSW Eider, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Flt 81... there is still a small chance that it may make it.
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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Sub attack near Tokyo at 66,43

Japanese Ships
ML Toshima Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage And down it goes... :)

Allied Ships
SS S-34

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RE: December 15, 1922 - 4/16/2006 5:34:41 PM   
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S-14 shall now be referred to as "Minelayer Bane". It has just sunk its third IJN ML - that's 60% of total IJN ML losses...


Quite an individual victory, but as it is December, if CAPT laid down at least a couple of dozen CLMs on the first turn of the game, then the real mine war has just begun !!!



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RE: December 15, 1922 - 4/16/2006 6:08:52 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

quote:

S-14 shall now be referred to as "Minelayer Bane". It has just sunk its third IJN ML - that's 60% of total IJN ML losses...


Quite an individual victory, but as it is December, if CAPT laid down at least a couple of dozen CLMs on the first turn of the game, then the real mine war has just begun !!!


Are you talking about Manila-based USN DMs or sending all his subs on minelaying missions all over Pacific?

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RE: December 15, 1922 - 4/16/2006 7:09:50 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Rysyonok

quote:

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

quote:

S-14 shall now be referred to as "Minelayer Bane". It has just sunk its third IJN ML - that's 60% of total IJN ML losses...


Quite an individual victory, but as it is December, if CAPT laid down at least a couple of dozen CLMs on the first turn of the game, then the real mine war has just begun !!!


Are you talking about Manila-based USN DMs or sending all his subs on minelaying missions all over Pacific?



Nope I was talking about Japanese AK to CLM conversions. In game where I was Japanese (which you now are) I laid down several dozen, though probably not as many on day one as I should have, but by around Jan 23, in that game, you should have more minelayers than you know what to do with. You can probably lay a 10k minefield per op. This is almost certainly an "issue" - though IIRC you felt this was not best use of these vessels anyway, you wanted to use them in surface battles as "DD Killers". But my original intent was to use them as 10k minefield creators.



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RE: December 15, 1922 - 4/16/2006 7:48:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
Nope I was talking about Japanese AK to CLM conversions. In game where I was Japanese (which you now are) I laid down several dozen, though probably not as many on day one as I should have, but by around Jan 23, in that game, you should have more minelayers than you know what to do with. You can probably lay a 10k minefield per op. This is almost certainly an "issue" - though IIRC you felt this was not best use of these vessels anyway, you wanted to use them in surface battles as "DD Killers". But my original intent was to use them as 10k minefield creators.


There are many wrong ways to use those CMLs - and by the way by now every 5K AK is being converted ;) - e.g. milching or minelaying en masse. I only want them for LRCAP and recon... =)

It's funny how WPO allows so many conversions whereas British were truly disappointed with their Q-ships by 1917...

I fixed that by deleting every single 5K AK - they are 4K / 8K now. If testing shows real need for conversions, I suppose a few can be thrown on the reinforcement track...

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December 16, 1922 - 4/16/2006 8:11:41 PM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/16/22

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TF 178 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79) This is very interesting - why is he sending 8 weak ships to the front lines? It's just an island. With a tiny port and no aircraft to recover.

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru No 3
MSW Choun Maru No 7
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru No 18
MSW Ataka Maru
DD Wakaba
DD Asakaze
DD Momo

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 73

Allied Ships
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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Sub attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 73

Allied Ships
DD Robert Smith
DD Kane
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 73, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Thatcher
DD Boggs
DD Greene
DD Turner
DD Swasey
DD Barry
DD Howard
DD O'Bannon
DD Crane
DD Williams

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ASW attack near Wotje at 82,79

Japanese Ships
SS No. 45

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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TF 1070 encounters mine field at Wotje (82,79)

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 73, hits 4 2 direct hits - it's gotta be at 30/30 at least.

Allied Ships
DD Thatcher
DD Boggs
DD Greene
DD Turner
DD Swasey
DD Barry
DD Howard
DD O'Bannon

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December 17, 1922 - 4/18/2006 1:40:32 AM   
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IJN TF clearing Ponape minefield vanished prior to finishing the job. Interesting.

Hunt for No. 73 sub ended with maiming No. 32 instead. Shucks.

Where did all IJN ASW forces in Tokyo go?

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/17/22

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TF 1070 encounters mine field at Wotje (82,79)

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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ASW attack at 81,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 32, hits 2, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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Sub attack near Tokyo at 66,43

Japanese Ships
AP Kiri Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage Fourth kill for the sub. =)

Allied Ships
SS S-34

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Hail to the blimps - 4/18/2006 4:56:47 AM   
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Never underestimate those puny things.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/18/22

Vought O2U Corsair reports suspected submarine at 99,74
C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 79,78
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 81,82 , Speed 4 , Moving West
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 7 , Moving East
Avro 504K reports suspected submarine at 66,43
Vought O2U Corsair sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 101,76 , Speed 9 , Moving East
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 10 , Moving Southwest
C Type NR Blimp attacking No. 45 at 82,79
No. 45 is reported HIT

C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 82,79
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 3 , Moving Northwest
Felixstowe F.2 has spotted Meigs at 82,81
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 4 , Moving West
B Type NR Blimp attacking No. 39 at 101,76

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December 18, 1922 - 4/18/2006 4:59:32 AM   
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IJN TF clearing Ponape minefield is back! But the destroyer line-up is different. There must be 4-6 escorts covering MSWs.

IJN finally decides to show up in Iwo Jima, but rather than a surface TF - and I was so hoping to surprise them with my 5 BBs - it's a sub. Time to retreat in orderly fashion. NOW.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/18/22

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TF 178 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79)

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru No 3
MSW Choun Maru No 7
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru No 18
MSW Ataka Maru
DD Wakaba
DD Katsura

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink
MSW Quail
MSW Cardinal
MSW Lark
MSW Thrush
MSW Partridge
MSW Turkey
MSW Curlew
MSW Oriole
MSW Tanager
MSW Robin
MSW Owl
MSW Lapwing

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Sub attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
AK Dos Hermanos, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Shirk

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Sub attack at 64,65

Japanese Ships
AO Notoro
DD Uzuki

Allied Ships
SS R-6

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December 19, 1922 - 4/18/2006 7:53:34 AM   
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AK Dos Hermanos is scuttled at 99/90.

USN BBs will make an attempt to intercept those pesky MSWs on their way home.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/19/22

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TF 178 encounters mine field at Ponape (71,79)

Japanese Ships
MSW Eguchi Maru No 3
MSW Choun Maru No 7
MSW Bisan Maru
MSW Banshu Maru No 18
MSW Ataka Maru
DD Wakaba, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage *sinks*

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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Sub attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
DD Swasey
DD Thatcher
DD Boggs
DD Greene
DD Turner

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 30

Allied Ships
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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December 20, 1922 - 4/19/2006 2:47:43 AM   
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IJA lands at Iwo Jima but the game does not force landing units into an immediate shock attack? I am at a loss as to what are the mechanisms behind forced attacks upon unloading.

IJN Hosho makes an appearance as its aircraft bomb Iwo Jima.

Flak from one of USN DMs damages an IJA Felixstowe near Kwajalein.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/20/22

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 70
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


134 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
1337 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 70
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


109 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Mikage Maru #20

Japanese ground losses:
1050 casualties reported

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Day Air attack on Iwo Jima , at 63,53

Japanese aircraft
Gloster Sparrowhawk x 7
Mitsubishi C1M1 x 2

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x Gloster Sparrowhawk bombing at 2000 feet

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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4737 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 8464 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles

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December 21, 1922 - 4/19/2006 8:58:59 AM   
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Stalemate @ Iwo Jima. My infantry and engineers are too few to push IJA back into the sea; and IJA with its 3 engineer regiments and a base force provides excellent defensive formation but can't attack to save its life.

Tomorrow will be the swan song of USN battleships as 5 old hulks - Oregon, Connecticut, Georgia and 2 others - charge into sub-infested waters of Iwo Jima, hoping to take at least 10 transports with them.

Heck, maybe even Hosho will show up - it was a hex northwest yesterday but nowhere to be seen today.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/21/22

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 70
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


65 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Saiho Maru, Shell hits 1

Japanese ground losses:
374 casualties reported

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer
DD Upshur

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 70
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


58 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
252 casualties reported

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DM Anthony
DM Burns
DM Stribling
DM Ingraham

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58, hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Thatcher
DD Boggs
DD Greene
DD Turner
DD Swasey
DD Barry
DD Howard
DD O'Bannon
DD Crane
DD Williams

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Sub attack near Satawal at 60,74

Japanese Ships
MLE MLE 02

Allied Ships
SS R-1


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4769 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 11388 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2956 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 7359 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)


Japanese ground losses:
68 casualties reported

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported

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Iwo Jima, 12/21/1922 - 4/19/2006 9:11:16 AM   
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IJN: at least 3 submarines, potentially CV Hosho, at least 10-20 transports, mostly if not all APs - they were able to unload 8,000 men in a single turn. Having lost 45DDs to date, IJN is almost certainly involved in mass-conversions, meaning that there are simply no spare AKs available to carry out an invasion.

USN: 5BB 4PC within striking range; AE a bit behind to rearm BBs; up to 10 subs are approaching but it will take at least a week for them to arrive - the closest one by Tori Shima is S-34 with empty fuel tanks and only 4 torpedoes =(

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/19/2006 9:46:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Rysyonok

:) I am not hoping to win this game anymore. But I am determined to make the remaining 11 months very painful for Wayne ;)



Why? If you conquest PI he will lose points... are you sure you can't match him? Then you'll have to take every japanese island...


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RE: Hail to the blimps - 4/19/2006 9:47:35 AM   
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Never underestimate those puny things.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/18/22

Vought O2U Corsair reports suspected submarine at 99,74
C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 79,78
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 81,82 , Speed 4 , Moving West
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 7 , Moving East
Avro 504K reports suspected submarine at 66,43
Vought O2U Corsair sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 101,76 , Speed 9 , Moving East
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 10 , Moving Southwest
C Type NR Blimp attacking No. 45 at 82,79
No. 45 is reported HIT

C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 82,79
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 3 , Moving Northwest
Felixstowe F.2 has spotted Meigs at 82,81
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 4 , Moving West
B Type NR Blimp attacking No. 39 at 101,76


Are they set to naval search, right?

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RE: Hail to the blimps - 4/19/2006 8:21:51 PM   
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It's funny how WPO allows so many conversions whereas British were truly disappointed with their Q-ships by 1917...


True, the British were disappointed, but I wanted the players to have a choice. Beyond that, if players do too many conversions, then moving troops is going to be an issue later on. Transports are smaller than in WitP, and nowhere near as numerous. If players want to be gamey and build a ton of "10k minefield creators", then they in effect force themselves on the defensive, as they won't have enough shipping to create effective supply convoys and mount sustained heavy offensive invasions. It's all a trade off.

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/19/2006 8:46:49 PM   
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Why? If you conquest PI he will lose points... are you sure you can't match him? Then you'll have to take every japanese island...



I think he may be refering to the time limit on the game. The scenario is only 1.5 years long.

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/20/2006 1:05:20 AM   
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Why? If you conquest PI he will lose points... are you sure you can't match him? Then you'll have to take every japanese island...



I think he may be refering to the time limit on the game. The scenario is only 1.5 years long.


Manila and Bataan are 2100 each. So if I take them tomorrow I'm up to 6400 but Wayne still has 7000-some VPs. I think the biggest mistake this game was not adjusting the initial VPs for home islands - Tokyo alone is 3600VPs in the Japanese account. Add on top of that VPs for expanded airfields and ports, and we have a problem. In a 4-year scenario Americans would have had the time to take those nice built up facilities and rake up the points... I don't have such luxury.

I think I'm going to have to go for Tokyo, which is a suicide...

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RE: Hail to the blimps - 4/20/2006 1:11:23 AM   
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It's funny how WPO allows so many conversions whereas British were truly disappointed with their Q-ships by 1917...


True, the British were disappointed, but I wanted the players to have a choice. Beyond that, if players do too many conversions, then moving troops is going to be an issue later on. Transports are smaller than in WitP, and nowhere near as numerous. If players want to be gamey and build a ton of "10k minefield creators", then they in effect force themselves on the defensive, as they won't have enough shipping to create effective supply convoys and mount sustained heavy offensive invasions. It's all a trade off.


I disagree - partially. Even in Cautionaries, a scenario that intentionally ties up a large chunk of Japanese fleet, there is more than enough shipping potential - for Japan. In another game I sent every single eligible AK I had to be converted - and I'm still fine! Once the bulk of IJA is on PI, you don't need those transports anymore...

Of course on the other hand USN can't afford that, and I spent many painful hours deciding what to do... Feeding a bunch of dreadnoughts with 12 tankers is not fun.

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RE: Hail to the blimps - 4/20/2006 1:13:31 AM   
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Naval attack - for all but Curtises and Blimps.

Of course, what you don't see is horrific ops losses - 21 plane despite appropriate support and airfield coverage - and meek results most of the days. I am lucky if I can achieve what you see below once a month.

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Never underestimate those puny things.

OPERATIONAL REPORT FOR 12/18/22

Vought O2U Corsair reports suspected submarine at 99,74
C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 79,78
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 81,82 , Speed 4 , Moving West
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 7 , Moving East
Avro 504K reports suspected submarine at 66,43
Vought O2U Corsair sighting report: 2 Japanese ships at 101,76 , Speed 9 , Moving East
C Type NR Blimp sighting report: 1 Japanese ship at 82,79 , Speed 10 , Moving Southwest
C Type NR Blimp attacking No. 45 at 82,79
No. 45 is reported HIT

C Type NR Blimp reports suspected submarine at 82,79
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 4 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 3 , Moving Northwest
Felixstowe F.2 has spotted Meigs at 82,81
Felixstowe F.2 sighting report: 9 Allied ships at 82,81 , Speed 4 , Moving West
B Type NR Blimp attacking No. 39 at 101,76


Are they set to naval search, right?


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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/20/2006 1:15:31 AM   
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:) I am not hoping to win this game anymore. But I am determined to make the remaining 11 months very painful for Wayne ;)

Why? If you conquest PI he will lose points... are you sure you can't match him? Then you'll have to take every japanese island...


Or just Tokyo: +9000 Allied VP, -3600 Japanese VP.

Do you guys think I should just send all I can to Home Islands? As you're about to see, even Kwajalein is impregnable...

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December 22, 1922 - 4/20/2006 1:20:52 AM   
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An absolutely miserable day.

13 MSWs sink without taking a single shot from a Japanese ship or any mine hits. How am I supposed to take fortresses like Kwajalein? Hit'em where they ain't, said MacArthur... I guess I have to.

The Japanese transport armada vanishes from Iwo Jima just before my ships get there - and even when they do, they choose to relax most of the day, not firing a shot. Right as Japanese keep unloading right next to them.

My destroyers seem to be extremely experienced only dealing with submarines. Night combat, 2000 yards, and all I get is *one* torpedo hit? And that's with surprise on my side during the second battle?

IJA seems to be able to unload without being forced to shock attack - ahem, where was that ability when I landed at Jaluit?

Daily losses: IJN: 3DD USN: 4DD with a few more going down imminently, 13 MSW.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/22/22

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 70
TF 70 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Saiho Maru

Japanese ground losses:
190 casualties reported

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 126
TF 126 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


94 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese ground losses:
1207 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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TF 1070 encounters mine field at Kwajalein (79,79) - Coastal Guns Fire
Back!

1044 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
MSW Bobolink, Shell hits 67, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Quail, Shell hits 65, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Cardinal, Shell hits 22, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Lark, Shell hits 73, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Thrush, Shell hits 59, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Partridge, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Turkey, Shell hits 73, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Curlew, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Oriole, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Tanager, Shell hits 37, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Robin, Shell hits 24, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Owl, Shell hits 68, on fire, heavy damage
MSW Lapwing, Shell hits 41, on fire, heavy damage

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ASW attack at 76,81

Allied Ships
SS R-10

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Sub attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Upshur
DD Kane
DD Robert Smith
DD Farquhar
DD Preble
DD Decatur
DD Henshaw
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Bulmer

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2
BB Fuso, Shell hits 2
BB Yamashiro, Shell hits 3
BC Hiei, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 1
BB Aki, Shell hits 6
CA Kasuga, Shell hits 1
CA Nisshin, Shell hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Upshur, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
DD Bulmer, Shell hits 28, and is sunk
DD John D. Ford, Shell hits 9, on fire, heavy damage
DD Truxton, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
DD Henshaw, Shell hits 1
DD Decatur, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Preble, Shell hits 29, on fire, heavy damage
DD Farquhar
DD Robert Smith
DD Kane, Shell hits 3, on fire

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Shell hits 3
BB Fuso, Shell hits 1
BB Yamashiro
BC Hiei, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB Aki, Shell hits 5
CA Kasuga, Shell hits 2
CA Nisshin, Shell hits 6

Allied Ships
DD Williams, Shell hits 1
DD Crane, Shell hits 23, and is sunk
DD Boggs
DD Thatcher
DD O'Bannon, Shell hits 1
DD Howard
DD Barry, Shell hits 1
DD Turner, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Greene, Shell hits 5, on fire
DD Swasey, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
DD Tokitsukaze
DD Tsuta, Shell hits 14, on fire
DD Umi, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Chew, Shell hits 2, on fire
DD Hazelwood, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
DD Radford
DD Babbitt, Shell hits 1
DD Aaron Ward, Shell hits 2
DD Palmer, Shell hits 1
DD McCawley, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Melvin, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Selfridge

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
DD Tokitsukaze, Shell hits 52, and is sunk
DD Tsuta, Shell hits 19, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Chew, on fire
DD Hazelwood, on fire, heavy damage
DD Radford, Shell hits 1
DD Babbitt, Shell hits 1
DD Aaron Ward, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Palmer
DD McCawley, on fire, heavy damage
DD Melvin, on fire
DD Selfridge

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
AP Mikage Maru #20
AP Minryo Maru
AP Minto Maru, Shell hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AP Mitsu Maru #3
AP Montoiru Maru, Shell hits 2
AP Netsuda Maru
AP Nissen Maru #3
AP Nojima Maru
AP Otake Maru
AP Ryuosan Maru
AP Shirashika Maru
AP Shirogane Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AP Sumanoura Maru, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
AP Sumiyoshi Maru
AP Ueizuru Maru, Shell hits 1
AP Uji Maru
AP Ujigawa Maru
AP Unkai Maru #3
AP Yoshino Maru
AP Yoshinogawa Maru
AP Konsan Maru
AP Saiho Maru

Allied Ships
BB Connecticut
BB Georgia
BB Rhode Island
BB Illinois
BB Oregon
PC Eagle 6
PC Eagle 8
PC Eagle 9
PC Eagle 17

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge
DD Melvin, on fire
DD Palmer
DD Babbitt
DD Radford
DD Chew, on fire

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Coastal Guns at Iwo Jima, 63,53, firing at TF 126
TF 126 troops unloading over beach at Iwo Jima, 63,53


234 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
PC Ch06, Shell hits 1
PC Ch07

Japanese ground losses:
1209 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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ASW attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Selfridge
DD Palmer
DD Babbitt
DD Radford
DD Chew

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ASW attack near Iwo Jima at 63,53

Japanese Ships
SS No. 20

Allied Ships
PC Eagle 17
PC Eagle 6
PC Eagle 8
PC Eagle 9


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Ground combat at Iwo Jima

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 4771 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 22639 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles


Japanese ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

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December 23, 1922 - 4/20/2006 4:09:53 AM   
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Still no light at the end of the tunnel.

All IJN surface ships disappeared from Iwo Jima, but subs came back. It's time for my pre-dreadnoughts to run.

A DD is lost and 5 transports; better than yesterday - the total losses were 6 DDs to 3 Japanese ones.

At this pace I will be forced to convert even more AKs to CLs. What does that mean? There is going to be only one Allied push: August-November, straight to Tokyo...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 12/23/22

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Night Time Surface Combat at 81,80

Japanese Ships
BB Settsu
BB Satsuma, Shell hits 2
CA Kurama, Shell hits 2
CA Ibuki
BB Kashima, Shell hits 1
BB Mikasa, Shell hits 6
CA Adzuma, Shell hits 1

Allied Ships
DD Radford
DD Boggs, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
DD Palmer
DD Thatcher
DD Renshaw, Shell hits 1
DD O'Bannon
DD Howard
DD Barry
DD Aulick
DD Gillis
DD Thornton
DD Sinclair
DD Henshaw
DD Meyer
DD MacDonough
DD Farenholt
DD Farquhar
DD La Vallette
DD Robert Smith
DD Selfridge
DD Hulbert

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
CA Ikoma
CA Aso
CA Idzumo
CA Iwate
CA Asama
CA Yakumo
CL Nagara

Allied Ships
DD Williams, Shell hits 52, and is sunk

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Sub attack near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
CA Ibuki
BB Mikasa
BB Satsuma

Allied Ships
SS H-8

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Maloelap at 82,81

Japanese Ships
BB Settsu
BB Satsuma
CA Kurama
CA Ibuki
BB Kashima
BB Mikasa
CA Adzuma

Allied Ships
AK Luzon
AK Palawan, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Princess of Negros, Shell hits 6, and is sunk
AK Regulus, Shell hits 8, and is sunk
AK Sarangami, Shell hits 13, on fire, heavy damage
AK Si Kiang, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Surigao, Shell hits 15, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/20/2006 10:04:01 AM   
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:) I am not hoping to win this game anymore. But I am determined to make the remaining 11 months very painful for Wayne ;)

Why? If you conquest PI he will lose points... are you sure you can't match him? Then you'll have to take every japanese island...


Or just Tokyo: +9000 Allied VP, -3600 Japanese VP.

Do you guys think I should just send all I can to Home Islands? As you're about to see, even Kwajalein is impregnable...



I'm playing as US, and it's sad to hear you (and I) can't win the war no matter what...

Attacking Home Islands is a suicide.. very far from any friendly big port, so every damaged ship will probably sink, good infrastructure means fast troops movement to contrast your landing and infinite supply for him, huge coastal defense guns and...

Go for PI, you will get lot of points if you will be able to make his troops to surrender! And skip Kwajalein, it doesn't worth all the casualties you'll suffer taking it...
Try to blockade it with your mighty submarines... maybe you won't completely shut it down, but your opponent will risk to take 1 or more torpedo hits for every convoy that sails in or out!

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/20/2006 5:25:40 PM   
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I really like this scenario. But the timeframe may be to short. Given time the US can win. It just is not going to be a blitzkrieg in the Pacific:-)

Somehow recapturing the Philippines and inflicting significant damage on the Japanese fleet - essentially blockading Japan should equal a US victory.

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/21/2006 12:49:24 AM   
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I'm playing as US, and it's sad to hear you (and I) can't win the war no matter what...

Attacking Home Islands is a suicide.. very far from any friendly big port, so every damaged ship will probably sink, good infrastructure means fast troops movement to contrast your landing and infinite supply for him, huge coastal defense guns and...

Go for PI, you will get lot of points if you will be able to make his troops to surrender! And skip Kwajalein, it doesn't worth all the casualties you'll suffer taking it...
Try to blockade it with your mighty submarines... maybe you won't completely shut it down, but your opponent will risk to take 1 or more torpedo hits for every convoy that sails in or out!


You have to remember that this scenario is still being tested. Even after several months of work there are still areas that haven't been touched! It's finally to the point (in upcoming 1.7) that military OOBs are perfect - but there are still auxiliaries, ground forces...

Remember, Japan has a tremendous advantage in Cautionaries - they have to fight only 1-front war. In every stock campaign I kibitz IJN is struggling from day one as it has to deal with Chinese and DEI port-based Allied ships. Not here.

And sigh... we'll see. I got 19 days before I have to DECIDE - 1.2 that I'm playing still has that horde of ships coming online 1/15. They've been spread out in 1.6+.

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RE: Scoreboard 12/15/1922 - 4/21/2006 12:51:53 AM   
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I really like this scenario. But the timeframe may be to short. Given time the US can win. It just is not going to be a blitzkrieg in the Pacific:-)

Somehow recapturing the Philippines and inflicting significant damage on the Japanese fleet - essentially blockading Japan should equal a US victory.


Mm.

Just zero out all those Home Island base values, set current port sizes so that they can't be upgraded (e.g. 4(9) becoming 4(1) etc), and players will have to fight rather than build.

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